German Climate Professor Slams Climate Religion

Hat tip: Readers Edition.

Michael Krüger at skeptic site Readers Edition brings our attention to an interview (in German) with skeptic scientist Professor Werner Kirstein of the Institute for Geography at the University of Leipzig on MDR German Public Radio. (Expect MDR to receive hellfire and brimstone for daring to air such blasphemy).

In the interview Professor Kirstein is asked about the cold winters being a sign of warming. He said that it just doesn’t fit, and that years ago the same scientists predicted the opposite, and reminds us what climate experts said 3 or 4 years ago:

In Germany we will rapidly see no more snow in the winter.”

So much for that prediction.

Professor Kirstein also cautioned against placing too much emphasis on the decade of 2001 -2010 being the hottest decade on record, believing the claim is “a joke” and saying that determining a global average is a tricky business and in the end is only a theoretical value. The radio moderator then attempts to make Kirstein look like a denier in asking:

And so what you are saying is that there is no climate change?”

To which Kirstein answered that indeed there is – from natural causes, citing the extreme temperature variations of the past repeating ice ages. Kirstein disputes the notion that man-made CO2 is driving the climate today, saying CO2 has at best extremely little to do with temperature, and it will not do any good to reduce it. He views political attempts to reduce CO2 as an effort to steer the economy into a certain direction and as a way to earn money.

Near the end of the clip, Kirstein says flat out that it all comes down to a belief – a religion.

Transcript (in German) of the interview, Read here.

Professor Kirstein was also once featured at NTZ not long ago, Read here.

27 responses to “German Climate Professor Slams Climate Religion”

  1. Edward.

    Well said Dr. Kirstein, if only you were joined by more of your colleagues, not only in Germany but all over Europe, then the realist movement would slay this mystical AGW dragon and about time too.

    In reality we battle a much mightier monster, a hydra and it’s name is, the Undemocratic Republics of the European socialist bloc and they do believe in the witchcraft and sorcery – that is AGW…………………under a new moniker: the “Anti-science of Global Warming”.

    1. DirkH

      No, they don’t believe that. Look at the link to the Barroso video i posted on a thread earlier; look into the Lissabon treaty – “Fighting Climate Change” is one of the goals written into this treaty, overriding national law. It gives them carte blanche to take whatever tax they want to “fight climate change”. They instrumentalized the environmental movement, that’s all, making themselves the most virtuous and righteous leaders.

      It will all be for naught though, now that the EU crumbles. They could use guns, but it would only accelerate the collapse.

      1. Nonoy Oplas

        Yep, “climate change” is very convenient for them. When there is prolonged drought, it’s due to man-made warming, so let there be more environmental regulations,more energy taxation, more climate bureaucracies. When there is prolonged rains and winter, it’s also due to man-made warming, so let there be more environmental regulations, more energy taxation, more climate bureaucracies. Whichever way the climate changes, they want more of the people’s money.

  2. DirkH

    Climate Change as a religion – it is interesting that in the most important country of the EU, there is NO party that is climate sceptic, and NO party that is eurosceptic. A coincidence? I don’t think so.

    The center of the EU must be kept 100% in line. The usefulness of the “climate change” religion was to neutralize political dissent by channeling it into quasi-religious rituals like recycling, CFL’s, protesting against this or that infrastructure project. Whenever a tree has to be felled, expect a few dozen urbanites protesting RSN in Germany. I’ve observed that myself in Braunschweig. It’s a city with many trees and few large construction jobs going on, so whenever a new construction begins, you can practically already see them eagerly wait for their chance to protest. It gives their lives meaning.

    “Climate change” is of course the handy foundation for every such protest; so you can participate in the rituals and automatically know you’re doing the right thing in the Earth worshipping religion. You don’t have to bother yourself with questions like – is the mall they’re going to construct here maybe something that will help this city? No, just a totalitarian “no”; TREES have to be felled, bloody murder.

    The country’s populace is 100% deluded and will watch the coming violence in the periphery of Europe with complete amazement.

    1. Edward.

      That’s pretty damning stuff Dirk, I think there will be trouble before long.

      1. DirkH

        I see people here in Germany looking in the wrong direction and fighting the wrong fights. They will be taken by surprise.

  3. R. de Haan

    From Joe Bastardi

    MONDAY DEC 27
    DID YOU THEE WHAT I THAW?

    Here comes the thaw…

    Belfast, after the coldest week ever (I didn’t look at the records, but it had to be), is in the 40s and raining.

    Ah, the glories of weather…

    Admittedly, from the earlier month post, it was late enough so everyone that wanted the white Christmas got it (should I apologize that Christmas wasn’t a soggy melting mess all over the place?).

    Winter is not over, though for the U.K. and Ireland, the coldest part (against the NORMALS) is. But look, folks, with low solar, natural oceanic cycles, and the wild card of my triple crown of cooling, volcanic activity, especially in high latitudes, my advice is to get ready for more of this in coming decades. And the CO2 people should open their eyes to other sides of the argument, since in 30 years or so when we come out of the cooling cycle, there may be room for your argument being pressed forth… but first we have to watch and see if the naturalists like me (that is my new nickname… nature boy) have a point.

    Ozone hole, Ice Age, Y2K, etc., etc., etc. Is it any wonder why this just looks like another in a string of missed ideas that cause needless worry? You know what is the most hideous thing about all this? The money, time and energy wasted on what may be nothing more than a fictional ghost that man has nothing to do with, while tangible societal problems that need attention are given the short end of the stick… read more: http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bastardi-europe-blog.asp?partner=netweather&traveler=0
    ==============================================
    Reply: Readers: Joe’s latest is a good one – click on the link! (Sorry Ron, I’ve decided a tease is enough and the rest can be read at Joe’s site. Normally he has it up for a few days, and so people have lots of time to read it before it disappears. Besides, Joe will appreciate the traffic too, and it will let him know he’s got a real fan club out here in Europe. -PG

    1. Edward.

      Joe’s site in my toolbar from day one on new computer, next to WUWT and NTZ Tom Nelson, EU referendum and some others too!

  4. Casper

    Stanislaw Lem, a polish novelist wrote in his Star Diaries a story about “Using of a dragon”-Vom Nutzen des Drachen. I found its short abstract in German:
    Auf dem Planeten Abrasien lebt ein riesiger, einer Bergkette ähnelnder Drache, dessen Bewegungen Teile der Anrainerstaaten unbewohnbar machen. Die Bevölkerung des Planeten hat es sich zur Aufgabe gemacht, den Drachen durch Fütterungen („Export“ von Nahrungsmitteln) milde zu stimmen. Bei Recherchen vor Ort erfährt Tichy, dass die gesamte Wirtschaftsordnung nur auf den Drachen ausgerichtet ist, obwohl von ihm faktisch keine Gefahr ausgeht, da der Drache ohne Fütterung eingehen würde. Am Ende der Geschichte steht die Aussage, der Drache sei für die Abrasier zum Prinzip und zu einer Art Staatsräson geworden.

    The last sentence is a device of the story. You can apply it in case of AWG which was also confirmed by Prof. Kirstein in the interview.

  5. malcolm

    After over 18 years of research and feeling like a pariah, I find that some support is arriving . Constant requests to universities , research establishments and the political idiots who fell , hook line and sinker to the original global warming consensus, for facts and figures to PROVE global warming, without a single success. Where were all you experts ?
    You have allowed billions of dollars to be ripped from the lower income group by your reluctance to use your common sense and see the obvious fact that global warming will not be caused to any extent by an increase of co2 . You have allowed the very rich and powerful to make massive amounts of money by allowing them to set up carbon exchanges . It is sad to see an elite group has been allowed to terrify the political and bureaucratic leaders of the world into a state of abject terror ; so much, that many of you have believed that your very livelihoods were at stake .
    The most frightening aspect , is that no one will , or has been made accountable . Those who made the first claims, are now admitting they made a mistake or even that they manipulated the temperature figures . Speak up now or we will all suffer .

    1. Brian H

      In the future, to be known as one who was once a “Warmist” will be the professional kiss of death, or at least demotion to the ranks of the easily misled.

  6. Myk Taylor

    I had a thought about AGW being a religious belief.

    At the the begining of the 20th century, belief in the sacred religions declined, to be replaced by an increase in belief of the secular religions (Communism and Fascism).
    In the latter part of the century, belief in these has also declined to be replaced by man made global warming. It seems that many people need to have a belief in some kind of doctrine or dogma, and AGW fills this need to perfection for the urban athiest

    1. DirkH
  7. Juergen U

    I agree.
    Coldest winter in 130 years in Ireland. County Mayo recorded lowest temperatures of -17.2C.
    I haven’t seen that much snow in Ireland before and to be honest I can’t remember too many winters in Munich with that amout of snow. I remember that about 40 years ago, Germany was cold and had a lot of snow and it was not caused by AGW.
    Look up Piers Corbyn (www.weatheraction.com) who predicted this winter based on the study of the sun.

  8. R. de Haan

    Arsenic Bacteria and Climate Disruption.
    Different subject, same bogus
    http://motls.blogspot.com/2010/12/arsenic-bacteria-and-climate-disruption.html#more

  9. R. de Haan

    Climate controlling Ocean thermostat discovered
    http://climaterealists.com/?id=6935

  10. cassiopeia

    Isn’t it about time you guys expanded your horizons a bit?

    The November temperatures are the second warmest November on record despite a cold Pacific La Nina and low solar flux

    State of the Climate Global Analysis, November 2010
    National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration National Climatic Data Center

    Global Highlights

    The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for November 2010 was 0.69°C (1.24°F) above the 20th century average of 12.9°C (55.2°F). This was the second warmest such period on record. 2004 was the warmest November on record.

    The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for fall (September–November) 2010 was the sixth warmest on record for the season, 0.58°C (1.04°F) above the 20th century average of 14.0°C (57.1°F).

    For the 2010 year-to-date (January–November), the combined global land and ocean surface temperature was 0.64°C (1.15°F) above the 20th century average—the warmest such period since records began in 1880.

    The November 2010 Northern Hemisphere land and ocean surface temperature was the warmest November on record, while the Southern Hemisphere land and ocean surface temperature was the 13th warmest November on record.

    The November 2010 global land surface temperature was the warmest on record, at 1.52°C (2.74°F) above the 20th century average, while the November global ocean temperature tied with 1987 and 2008 as the tenth warmest on record, at 0.39°C (0.70°F) above average.

    The January–November 2010 Northern Hemisphere land surface temperature was the second warmest such period on record, while the Southern Hemisphere was the fourth warmest on record.

  11. R. de Haan

    Cassiopeia:
    That’s history, the heat is gone and it won’t come back for a long time.
    Watch what happens now at the SH land temps.
    Watch the temperatures at Antarctica
    Watch the ocean temps.

    Just watch Bastardi’s Ice Temp report for a solid explanation of the facts.
    http://www.accuweather.com/video/731790536001/thursday-morning-global-sea-ice-and-temp-report.asp?channel=vbbastaj

  12. R. de Haan

    Pierre,
    Let’s ask JoeBastardi to file his postings in order to keep them available to us.

    I.M.O. Joe won’t miss any traffic because most posters here have Joe’s site bookmarked and check it on a daily basis.

  13. R. de Haan

    Sorry Pierre but the posting is gone already.
    No use to link to a posting that is goner within 24 hours.

  14. Mas

    “Are the environmental movements and groups simply devoted to laudable, correct stewardship of God’s creation, or do they have a more sinister, hidden agenda? Is “global warming” being used as an excuse for something far darker? Is the final goal of the liberal elites behind the push of junk science population control, eugenics and Gaia worship?”

    http://www.realcatholictv.com/cia/04GlobalWarming/

  15. Michael

    You have to admit its fun to watch the two great religions – Climate warming and Republican science fight it out. Neither wants to admit that the millions of dollars spent on climate and weather research (satelites etc.) were “wasted”. They weren’t really wasted, the science just hasn’t reached a point of deriving a definitive answer- that’s a long way off. The climate can’t put down as one number at one point in time. The global warmers put themselves down as experts and put a lot of trust me I’m an expert statements. They put a lot of trust in technology and pure maths not science and applied maths. The value of an expert is in a disaster like the sudden freeze over Europe or flood in Australia to know what to do or what to expect. Never heard any of them offer anything useful- certainly would have heard them crowing about predictions proven. I wouldn’t want those “experts” anyway near a weather disaster management centre guaranteed worse disaster.

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