Establishment In Death Throes …When Free Speech Rape Victims Get Blamed And Dissent Criminalized

Angry mobs of leftists attacking Donald Trump rallies and the US Justice Department threatening to criminalize climate science dissent are just the latest undeniable, very clear signs the entrenched Establishment is in all out panic mode.

If anything is certain, it is that they’ve lost the argument, and violence seems to be their last resort.

AP photo here: “DON’T TELL US HOW TO DRESS. TELL THEM NOT TO RAPE”. We could also say: “Don’t tell us what to say, tell them not to attack”.

Reports indicate that Moveon.org was behind the Chicago attack. Yet many of us know that there are others who are very nervous about the Trump phenomenon. The Republican Establishment hates him because they see themselves losing control of the Party and becoming irrelevant (they already are).

But what’s more telling are the attacks that are coming from the Far Left, such as the one organized in Chicago. Why would they want to destroy a candidate that everyone keeps telling us has no chance at defeating Hillary Clinton? The answer is that the opposite is true. The Democrats are in fact extremely terrified of Trump, and they have more than just an inkling that the flamboyant billionaire will likely beat the pants off Hillary. Indeed Trump’s appeal has spread into the Democrat working class base.

Blame the victim for rape

Also what’s been interesting is the reaction to the mob attacks from Trump’s other adversaries. Though the motivations behind the reactions are different, they all agree that it is Donald Trump himself who is responsible, at least in part, for the mob attacks. They tell us that Trump’s tone provokes violence. This has come from people you’d least expect it, like Ted Cruz. It is a disappointment that this constitutional expert would side with an angry mob and not stand up for free speech.

It is clear that Cruz and other Republican candidates have grown frustrated and desperate. Claims that Trump is responsible are really no different from those claiming the rape victim is at fault because she looked attractive. It’s a pathetic argumentation that won’t convince anyone with an IQ over 40.

If Trump’s positions on important issues are so off the wall, then it should be an easy task to take them apart in a civil debate. But this hasn’t been possible. Could it be that his message is one that bears too much inconvenient truth?

Criminalizing climate science dissent

Another sign the Establishment is in deep trouble is the recent effort by Justice Department head Loretta Lynch to criminalize scientific dissent in climate science. This one effort is so primitive and Medieval that it can only backfire. What kind of society do we live in when dissent on issues like climate change needs to be shut down with force and dissenters investigated and possibly prosecuted by the FBI? When things are that out of control and corrupt, then we ought not wonder when Donald Trump types take off.

I’m no fan of Donald Trump and I am very nervous about some of his positions. But after the latest attacks, I find myself warming to him, and cooling on Cruz. The precious right to free speech is clearly at stake and Trump is the one at the front lines taking the arrows. People now more than ever must not be afraid to stand up.

Also read: http://wattsupwiththat.assault-on-reason/.

90 responses to “Establishment In Death Throes …When Free Speech Rape Victims Get Blamed And Dissent Criminalized”

  1. DirkH

    “I’m no fan of Donald Trump and I am very nervous about some of his positions. But after the latest attacks, I find myself warming to him, and cooling on Cruz.”

    Yeah Cruz did himself in. Many people flipping to Trump now.

    It’s interesting because in Germany AfD has been attacked violently for years now. As we have a stronger socialist idiot culture in Europe, we are accustomed to their violent rituals.

    Just a few days ago a journalist punched an AfD election campaigner right in the face then made off.
    https://www.alternativefuer.de/2016/03/10/wahlhelfer-der-afd-in-baden-wuerttemberg-von-journalisten-attackiert/

    This makes no headlines at all in the plutocrat press of Germany, as SA-style attacks on the AfD are DESIRED by the regime.

    1. yonason

      Preach peace, practice violence. The Left never changes it’s playbook.

    2. Bart

      “I’m no fan of Donald Trump and I am very nervous about some of his positions. But after the latest attacks, I find myself warming to him, and cooling on Cruz.”

      +1

  2. yonason

    “It is a disappointment that this constitutional expert would side with an angry mob and not stand up for free speech.” – Pierre

    Yes, but he’s got no street smarts. Just being a one dimensional “constitutional expert” doesn’t make a wiz-kid into a man. And there are all too few men anywhere in politics or science these days, just a lot of snot nosed wiz-kids, the “best” of whom think they can reason their way out of trouble with a mob, or worse, pacify them by agreeing with them.

  3. Doug Proctor

    Is it weakness or strength that lets you physically or legally attack your opponents?

    The left has the media. Without a public voice of reason, sympathy or alarm about fundamental rights and values, the bullyboys win. And their actions escalate.

    Weakness may initiate attack, but strength lets it
    continue. We have entered scary times and I don’t see an end

  4. sod

    “If anything is certain, it is that they’ve lost the argument, and violence seems to be their last resort.”

    I do not get it. The all opf us have seen the sucker punch video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qceor5k3TfM

    The violence is coming from Trump supporters and is escalated by his speeches. Just read what he said:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/donald-trump-hooligan-chief-article-1.2561879

    1. AndyG55

      If those protesters were not there to cause trouble, which they obviously were, there would be no issue. You don’t go where you know are not welcome and not expect some kick back.

      People are getting really angry about the far-left continually trying to shut down things that they disagree with.

      There are many sorts of violence, and the vocal intimidation, as seen perpetrated by these far-left totalitarian extremists, cannot and should not be tolerated.

      There is only ONE group causing the trouble, it is ISN’T those associated with Trump.

      1. yonason

        See my reply to sod, below. MoveOn_dot_org has taken credit for the violence, which places it squarely in the Leftist lap.

      2. sod

        ” You don’t go where you know are not welcome and not expect some kick back.”

        Trump has been inciting hate and violence in his speeches since he started his campaign. It was only a matter of time, until this would cause a reaction and protests.

        “There are many sorts of violence, and the vocal intimidation, as seen perpetrated by these far-left totalitarian extremists, cannot and should not be tolerated.”

        so protsests are a reason for violnet reactions? That is an interesting idea but it surely is not supported by law.

        “There is only ONE group causing the trouble, it is ISN’T those associated with Trump.”

        Where is the video of a sucker punch by some protester?

        There will be more protests in the future and some of them will disturb events and there might even be some violence from protesters. But what we have seen so far, the violence is coming from the Trump supporters.

        1. yonason

          Those responsible for the violence are those proficient at it, i.e., Sanders and the Leftist freaks of moveon_org, who call for violence in response to anything they oppose. It is not in response to “hate.” It IS the hate.

          1. sod

            “Those responsible for the violence are those proficient at it, i.e., Sanders and the Leftist freaks of moveon_org, who call for violence in response to anything they oppose. ”

            I am looking forward to your quotes from Sanders, calling for violence.

            Let me start with some from Trump:

            ” Here he was, speaking chillingly about a protester from the podium on Feb. 1: “Knock the crap out of him, would, you? Seriously, OK, just knock the hell. I promise you I will pay for the legal fees, I promise, I promise.”

            And on Feb. 23: “I’d like to punch him in the face.” Four days later, about another protester: “In the good old days, they’d rip him out of that seat so fast, but today everybody is politically correct.””

            and:

            “n November, a peaceful Black Lives Matter protester was punched and kicked. Asked about the incident the following day, Trump said, “Maybe he should have been roughed up, because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing.” (He was being loud.)

            This week, a 78-year-old man sucker-punched a protester who was already in the custody of police and being escorted out. Disgustingly, Friday Trump praised that behavior: “The audience hit back,” he told reporters in Palm Beach, Fla. “And that’s what we need a little bit more of.””

            http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/donald-trump-hooligan-chief-article-1.2561879

            Now let us see your quotes from Sanders!

          2. yonason

            “I am looking forward to your quotes from Sanders, calling for violence.” – sod the willfully blind

            my link is below. All you have to do is peruse it to see who is supporting him. But, since you see nothing, it’s obvious that you think this is not violence
            https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/ows-oakland-24.jpg?w=639&h=572
            nor is this
            https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/ows-occupy-oakland-5.jpg?w=653&h=436
            or this
            F**k The Police (FTP)

            Those protesting Trump, and calling him “violent” are the hate filled violent ones, as are apparently you.

          3. yonason

            “…a peaceful Black Lives Matter protester…” – sod the obtuse

            That’s like saying “…a peaceful stormtrooper…”

            They tried to get a cop convicted for defending himself against a punk thug, seen here assaulting a store proprietor after robbing the store
            http://kctv.images.worldnow.com/images/26290847_BG1.jpg

            and shortly before assaulting officer Wilson and attempting to grab his gun, which led to the officer shooting Brown in self defense, which was proven by the autopsy.

            Brown did NOT have his hands up, and he was NOT running away.
            http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/08/18/us/SUB-JP-BROWN-2/SUB-JP-BROWN-2-blog427.jpg

            The BLM are lying hate filled racist freaks. If he was there at the Trump rally, he was up to no good.

            Americans are getting fed up with being blamed for racism, when it is by far the Blacks who are the violent racists. If Trump is addressing that REAL problem, it is not “hate speech” but sanity – something about which you obviously haven’t a clue.

          4. AndyG55

            As you show.. the Protesters are the ones causing the violence.

            They are disrupting an organised meeting with yelling, shoving and general carrying on in a VIOLENT and disruptive manner.

            There would NO violence if they were not there.

            They brought the VIOLENCE with them… INTENTIONALLY.

          5. yonason

            Sod taunts me with
            “I am looking forward to your quotes from Sanders, calling for violence.”

            Let me return the taunt.
            I am looking forward to your quote of Hitler threatening to invade Poland, before he did. Same for Belgium, France, Norway, Denmark, Holland….

            And after each violent attack, he would plead that he only wanted peace, but he had no choice, because they forced him to defend Germany.

            Same with Sanders. He’s a Leftist, which means he’ll tell you he wants to be your friend, while waiting for you to turn around so he can stab you in the back.

          6. AndyG55

            Pretty pathetic really.. A young, fit belligerent, agitator, hooligan gets a fairy tap from an 78 year old, I’ll repeat that, an 78 year old.

            And sod starts sobbing. Oh dear. Pathetic.

          7. sod

            “my link is below. All you have to do is peruse it to see who is supporting him. ”

            sorry, but it does not work like that.

            I gave you real quotes from Trump.

            You failed to bring up a single quote.

          8. yonason

            @AndyG

            Yes, “pathetic” sums it up quite nicely.

          9. DirkH

            sod 15. März 2016 at 1:55 PM | Permalink
            “and:

            „n November, a peaceful Black Lives Matter protester was punched and kicked. ”

            You gotta understand that sod is brought up on the hard-left agitprop that is German state and plutocrat media.

            Sod, google for “White Girl Bleed A Lot.” The race war against whitey has been going on for years. You are an ignorant but you don’t have to. Your decision.

          10. sod

            “I am looking forward to your quote of Hitler threatening to invade Poland, before he did.”

            You mean a threat? Like cancelling the non-attack treaty with Poland on the 28. April 1939?

            https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsch-polnischer_Nichtangriffspakt

            I am sorry, but your example is horrible.

          11. sod

            “Pretty pathetic really.. A young, fit belligerent, agitator, hooligan gets a fairy tap from an 78 year old, I’ll repeat that, an 78 year old.”

            why are you trying to beliitle the violence?

            Where are your sources for Sanders asking for violence?

            Nil so far.

          12. AndyG55

            The leftist dolt deliberately antagonised the whole crowd.

            He bought the violence with him.

            Without him being there, there would have been no violence.

            END OF STORY. !!

          13. sod

            “The leftist dolt deliberately antagonised the whole crowd.

            He bought the violence with him.”

            You can invent your own definition for violence, but in discussions you have to stick to a commonly accepted one.

            The violence came from the Trump supporters. You have showed zero evidence for Sanders asking for violence and zero evidence for violence being started by the protesters.

          14. AndyG55

            You are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.. as always, sob !

            The protesters brought the VIOLENCE with them.

            You cannot DENY that their presence was the cause of the violence.

            They went there to DELIBERATELY DISRUPT.

            To DELBERATELY force a reaction.

            The violence must be OWNED by them, because it was their INTENT to cause a reaction, right from the start.

          15. DirkH

            “You have showed zero evidence for Sanders asking for violence and zero evidence for violence being started by the protesters.”

            Which Sanders, the presidential candidate or the guy in the Trump crowd doing the Roman salute and getting punched in the face by a black Trump fan? They’re both Sanders, though I don’t know whether they’re related.

            BTW, aren’t you on the left? You guys normally SUPPORT punching Nazis in the face.

          16. DirkH

            Bryan Sanders, wore KKK hood, gave Nazi salutes.
            http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-20/meet-professional-agitator-who-was-beaten-yesterdays-trump-rally-i-was-protesting-tr
            So, without a shadow of a doubt a VERY OUTSPOKEN racist and a Nazi -as he showed his attitude in the midst of a crowd-, sod, what say you? Does he deserve to be punched in the face? In Germany he would have been jailed, as it is illegal to show the Nazi salute. You say, he’s innocent? Why? Are you against outlawing Nazi symbols in Germany? If so, why?

          17. DirkH

            sod, I can’t hear you. I want you to defend the agent provocateur and explain to me that all’s fair when it’s against the non-leftist, come on, sod, make my day; we all know you gotta crack some eggs if you wanna make an omlet, right?

        2. AndyG55

          Where is the video of people trying to attack Trump.

          If that leftist fool hadn’t been where he was not wanted and hadn’t been DELIBERATEELY CAUSING TROUBLE, he would not have been biffed.

          It violence is caused by those who bring it with them.

        3. yonason

          sod is angry about imagined violence at the borders against female “refugees,” but could care less about his country women.

          sod is sympathetic with a “blacklivesmatter” thug, but could care less about his victims.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uofi4pyD3tU

          sod sides with violent Leftists who disrupt and destroy, and blames their criminal behavior on their victims.

          He invariably sides with evil over good, wrong over right, and hasn’t a clue what’s wrong with his world view. Well, sod, for your benefit I include this instructional
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

          You many not “get it,” but maybe some others will.

    2. yonason
  5. M E

    Oddly enough one of our TV channel news programmes laughed at the sight of D Trump jumping to one side when a man tried to get on to his platform. It was later that we found out that the man has sympathies with ISIS and has put his own portrait on the internet draped in an black flag of the ISIS type. I don’t think he was a Green Party supporter or even one of their little friends. But I wonder about that news channel, just as I wonder about the New York Times. They both have biases.
    Be cautious in who you believe . When viewing or reading remember the reports have been selected for you, “It may be so but it may not be so” is the only attitude to maintain at all times.

    1. DirkH

      ” just as I wonder about the New York Times.”

      There has never been a reason to wonder about the NYT.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=x5uB6W4DiZM

  6. Oz

    Clinton will be in jail and Trump will be told to drop out or be dropped out!

    As for climate scientists/greenies, I call them well meaning but grossly misinformed fanatics.

  7. sod

    As Trump has been brought up a lot here, this is the kind of article that everybody should take a look at.

    http://www.vox.com/2016/3/15/11225128/donald-trump-gullible-internet

    1. DirkH

      Vox! Do they still believe there’s a bridge between Gaza and the Westbank?

      1. sod

        “Vox! Do they still believe there’s a bridge between Gaza and the Westbank?”

        Do not ignore the facts.

        So you really want aUS president who has completely faked his medical record? Not “polished” it, but 100% faked it, so that real doctors start to laugh when they read it?

        http://www.vox.com/2016/3/15/11225128/donald-trump-gullible-internet

        You want a president who is copy pasting the worst sources on the internet, which always turn out to be false?

        1. AndyG55

          Vox… facts… ???? roflmao !!!!

          You have a weird sense of humour, sob.

          1. sod

            “Vox… facts… ???? roflmao !!!!”

            VOX is printing bthe original letter from his doctor. FGace the facts.

          2. yonason

            We know nothing about Obama’s past, but sod wants us to be shocked by some revelation by VOX about Trump’s medical record. He is getting desperate.

          3. yonason

            It might be worth pointing out that the fellow who was sucker punched was indeed a brownshirt.

            “”the protester, Rakeem Jones, gave the 78-year-old and others in the audience the finger. And as I noted during my weekly appearance on the Pat Campbell Show on Friday, there is such a thing as “fighting words” under the law, and in my opinion, giving someone the finger constitutes fighting words. Not all fighting words are protected free speech, and they are words that are considered incitement.
            http://www.debbieschlussel.com/81794/donald-trump-the-protesters-violence-who-is-fault-who-is-grandstanding/

            As usual, everything sod “knows’ is wrong.

          4. sod

            “As usual, everything sod „knows‘ is wrong.”

            No. Who was arrested?

            The Trump follower who punched a guy without any reason in that moment and who later said next time he might have to be killed.

            http://www.npr.org/2016/03/10/469937022/trump-rally-attendee-charged-after-protester-punched-in-the-face

            And the policemen standing around it without acting have been disciplined by now:

            http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/5-deputies-suspended-after-trump-protester-sucker-/nqm7c/

            The facts do not support your believes.

          5. AndyG55

            roflmao… poor sob.. so easily conned into believing anything his little rags publish.

            Hilarious. ! 🙂

          6. AndyG55

            If you have the intelligence to figure it out…

            ask yourself why a master salesman would put a letter with a simple spelling mistake on the very first line on his web site.

            Vox and you have been played like a fiddle 🙂

          7. sod

            “ask yourself why a master salesman would put a letter with a simple spelling mistake on the very first line on his web site.

            Vox and you have been played like a fiddle”

            Do not ask me, ask him. This is on the Trump website. And he does claim that this is his health record.

            https://www.donaldjtrump.com/images/uploads/trump_health_record.pdf

            The facts again, they hurt.

          8. AndyG55

            Poor sob, lacks the intelligence to see he and Vox have been PLAYED by Trump.

            WAY, WAY beyond his naïve comprehension. 🙂

            Keep making a fool of yourself, sob.. its quite hilarious to watch. 🙂

          9. sod

            “Poor sob, lacks the intelligence to see he and Vox have been PLAYED by Trump.”

            No. This is his real health statements. Candidates for the position of Prseident of the USA do not put fake stuff oin their website, to “play” the opposition.

            That would be a insane action.

          10. AndyG55

            roflmao..

            So you admit it is a true statement.. well done.

            You still don’t realise how you been played, do you.

            I’ll leave you to try to figure it out.

            Soooo funny ! 🙂

    2. DirkH

      Next you’ll bring up Salon. You’re killing me.

      1. yonason

        I don’t know if you saw this link above, but I think you might appreciate it. (if you already have it, that’s even better)
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

        As you no doubt are aware, everything they know is wrong. But that explains why. As he mentions, it isn’t just America, but Europe as well. And, as you alluded to elsewhere, sod is a product of the Leftist post-modern brainwashing that turns humans into Leftist zombies.

        Enjoy.

        1. DirkH

          Saw it a while ago but agree with him even more now – due to recent personal contact with a victim.

          And, I don’t know if he mentions it in this lecture, it all goes back to Jean jacques Rousseau’s concept of the Noble Savage – the pretense that all cultures are equally good and all the consequences that follow.

          1. yonason

            He mentions that it goes all the way back to Rousseau in a more recent one
            http://savevidz.com/watch/pSMPU0JhJCw/evan-sayet-on-why-liberals-think-conservatives-are-evil.html
            He also explains why Rousseau’s ideas didn’t have a wide following then, while the do now.

            I have no problem with it, but a friend I sent it to can’t access it due to his A.V. software. I’m running the NoScripts software you recommended on your website (Thanks!). So maybe that’s why I don’t have a problem?

          2. yonason

            If that doesn’t work, I think this one from his website should be fine (I think it’s the same talk – will know in a bit).
            http://www.c-span.org/video/?317048-1/liberals-media

          3. DirkH

            Yeah I saw that one on Sunday while watching youtube dry. Which I do biweekly when in my lair.

          4. yonason

            @DirkH 21. March 2016 at 6:06 PM

            You do seem very well informed.

            I remember my parents regularly investing time carefully reading newspapers, basically what I try to do today with reliable sources on line.

            I once found an article pertaining to something an ethics prof I knew had spoken about. I cut the article out, and sent it to him. I later found out that the newspaper made it up. When I told him about it the next time I ran into him, he said “You don’t know how many people I mislead with that.” Despite it not being my fault, I felt awful! Touch fire, get burned.

  8. AndyG55

    Yet another case of far-left THUGS invading conservative ideas.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/images/uploads/bullies_thumb.jpg

    Cory Bernadi’s (Conservative member of parliament) offices TRASHED by far-left scam-bags.

    Do you REALLY condone this, sob?

    Is this what you REALLY represent..

    sickening, to say the least.

    1. DirkH

      Happens to AfD in germany all the time. Leftists *LOVE* it.

      1. AndyG55

        I note that sob has avoided answering.!

        The far-left bring VIOLENCE and SPITE with them where-ever someone disagrees with them.

    2. AndyG55

      We can see that sob refuses to say anything.

      He obviously CONDONES this violence.

      Violence of leftist against conservatives is OK..

      Kick back is not allowed… that’s the way it goes, hey sob !

  9. yonason

    @AndyG55

    Of course they are the ones sad sob sod supports. He can’t help it. He’s been brainwashed from youth, and deprived of a proper moral compass and critical thinking skills. What else do we expect?

    This explains it all, well, nearly.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODXgGS50AVY

  10. sod

    The violence comes from the Trump supporters, as another video clearly shows:

    https://twitter.com/alex_satterly/status/711323486950596608

    Trump is preaching violence and it is no surprise that his followers turn violent.

    http://www.wfaa.com/news/politics/anti-trump-protester-punched-kicked-at-tucson-rally/92135810

    1. AndyG55

      Where are all the news reports of conservatives trying to shut down rallies of Clinton and Sanders?

      None.. because conservatives believe in freedom of speech.

      The VIOLENCE and TOTALITARIANISM is coming from one source and ONE SOURCE ONLY as the far-left THUGS try to FORCE the shut-down of Conservative gatherings.

      Any violence that happens is purely on their heads, because they BRING IT WITH THEM.

  11. DirkH

    The anti Trump protesters are hitting police horses to try to scare them.
    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/03/20/anti-trump-protester-april-foster-charged-with-hitting-police-horse-in-kansas-city/

    No compassion for animals or police riders. Of course – they’re leftists; the ends justify the means for them.

    1. Colorado Wellington

      It’s clear that PETA will not condemn her. Dan the horse is a lackey of the oppressor classes and had it coming. He is an Uncle Tom horse. April Foster would never hit a Progressive animal.

      Besides, Trump didn’t say anything about horses so far but PETA knows that if he did, it would be racist. The revolutionaries will not fall for this transparent bourgeois ploy of trying to pit them against another minority group.

  12. DirkH

    Sod, black people say they lose their jobs to illegal immigrants; support Trump.
    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/03/19/black-pro-trump-protester-tells-breitbart/

    What say you? Should illegal immigration continue so law-abiding blacks continue to lose their jobs?

    I know, I’m playing one of your grievance groups against the other. I’m doing this to make you say stupid things. So better don’t say anything.

    1. Colorado Wellington

      Dogs pee on lampposts and sod says stupid things on NTZ. There’s no way either will stop. At most, sod will miss a few lampposts.

      1. yonason

        @Colorado Wellington

        He can’t help but miss when trying to post above his competency level.
        http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1IxbkrGgQsc/TjrBlA1Gp_I/AAAAAAAAAIk/cpnDhgiX12M/s1600/dog-pee.jpg

    2. yonason

      “What say you? Should illegal immigration continue so law-abiding blacks continue to lose their jobs?” – sod

      He would have to say “yes.” He has no choice.

      Remember that he was outraged about IMAGINED anti-immigration violence against foreign women, but not at all upset by REAL foreign violence against German women. Etc., for every other position I’ve seen him take.

      As Sayet says (posting for those unaware of it), they invariably side with “evil over good, wrong over right, and behaviors that lead to failure over those that lead to success.”

      1. yonason

        OOPS!

        “What say you? Should illegal immigration continue so law-abiding blacks continue to lose their jobs?” – DirkH (NOT sod)

        I need to impose a time out on myself when I make stupid mistakes like that. see you later.

      2. DirkH

        “they invariably side with “evil over good, wrong over right, and behaviors that lead to failure over those that lead to success.””

        I find a lot of solace in that. Just observe them, do the opposite of what they’re doing, and things just work out.

        I do try to help them when they cross my ways but boy is it hard to beat just one fact into these numbskulls. In two cases they screamed at me when their cognitive dissonance overwhelmed them.

    3. sod

      “Sod, black people say they lose their jobs to illegal immigrants; support Trump.”

      That is mostly a myth.

      “Left and Right Agree: Immigrants Don’t Take American Jobs”:

      http://news.yahoo.com/left-agree-immigrants-dont-american-jobs-083105200–politics.html

      I think those right wind libertarian think tanks are a little bit optimistic, but they are mostly right. There definitely is (will be) an effect on wages although.

      But the real problem obviously is a different one: If resident x-generation blacks are competing with illegals from central america over meat packaging jobs, you have a real problem. And the immigrant is not a part of it.

      1. DirkH

        sod 21. March 2016 at 8:24 PM | Permalink | Reply
        ““Sod, black people say they lose their jobs to illegal immigrants; support Trump.”

        That is mostly a myth. ”

        Well obviously the black guy who says it is real and not a myth.
        But thanks for demonstrating the coping mechanism of the irrational – which sounds a lot like a river in Egypt.

      2. DirkH

        ” If resident x-generation blacks are competing with illegals from central america over meat packaging jobs, you have a real problem. And the immigrant is not a part of it.”

        It can be infuriating arguing with people like that. So someone enters a society, illegaly, ignoring the laws of that society, and you flat out deny that that is a problem. It is quite clearly a problem like any lawbreaking. Even your desired utopia will have to have rules – well it will actually have many many many more rules than a free society – think alone of the draconian regulations in your state, BW, where every homeowner gets forced by Kretschmann to install some renewables boondoggle. Hey let’s ignore those rules as well, it’s far less of a problem than ignoring a border I would think.

        Here’s Mr. Authoritarian himself telling us that borders can be ignored. It’s amazing how your brain can stick together given the contradictions. Everything goes if you wish it, right?

        1. yonason

          Even without having to compete with illegals, Blacks under Obama are significantly worse off than under Bush.
          http://www.blackpressusa.com/is-black-america-better-off-under-obama/

          Get a competent Republican in and that should improve, but then a Democrat gets elected, and the whole process begins again.

          1. sod

            “Get a competent Republican in and that should improve, but then a Democrat gets elected, and the whole process begins again.”

            Sorry, but the economic performance of Obama was obviously better than that of Bush.

            https://ourfuture.org/20141208/bush-vs-obama-on-the-economy-in-3-simple-charts

            see more information here:

            http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/

            Even on debts, Obama beats Bush, when looking at percentage numbers (which you should):

            http://useconomy.about.com/od/usdebtanddeficit/p/US-Debt-by-President.htm

            In one point i do agree though: Obama should have done more for blacks. But just imagine, what the Trump crowd would make out of that!!!!

          2. yonason

            “Sorry, but the economic performance of Obama was obviously better than that of Bush.” – sod

            No, it was not. See here
            http://overpassesforamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/obama-economy.png

            and or here
            http://www.allenbwest.com/2015/09/obamas-economic-recovery-destroyed-in-just-9-charts/

            Note that I should have clarified that a competent Republican will improve things as long as there isn’t a Democrat Congress to interfere, which was the problem Bush faced in his last years in office.

            One stellar example of Democrat incompetence, the housing bubble. Republicans wanted better oversight to rein in Fanny and Freddie, but Democrats refused, saying nothing was wrong. The bubble burst, blowing the economy out of the water. Something was clearly very very wrong.
            http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/new-study-finds-democrats-fully-to-blame-for-subprime-mortgage-crisis-that-caused-financial-collapse/

            Etc., etc. While Conservatives do make mistakes (mostly by cooperating with Dems), the Dems invariably hurt, not help.

            Bottom line, Democrats, as all Leftists, legislate failure.

          3. sod

            “No, it was not. See here”

            Your graphs are horrible. They do not compare Obama to other Presidents and they do use really obscure data. I would call this a trick. Just stick to normal stuff like job less rate and debt and use useful data versions (like percentages for debt) and you get a different picture.

            “Note that I should have clarified that a competent Republican will improve things as long as there isn’t a Democrat Congress to interfere, ”

            That is a strong wish. Obama did improve the economy against republican majorities.

          4. DirkH

            Now he’s claiming Obama has a booming economy. Sod, you’re such a cardboard cutout deluded German.

          5. yonason
          6. DirkH

            Unemployed numbers are a lie…
            Labor force participation rate under Obama.
            http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-02/americans-not-labor-force-soar-640000-record-936-million-participation-rate-drops-19

            (For sod: when the curve goes down, that’s bad. Well I better explain more about it. See, sod, in America, unemploymennt money runs out after a year or two depending on the whim of El Lider; and after that you drop out of the unemployment statistic. This makes it look better, you know, so that you can claim that Obama is an economic genius. Problem is, the people still exist. Which makes this nasty curve called the labor force participation rate go to zero. Meaning: THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO JOB.)

  13. Colorado Wellington

    sod, you don’t have a clue what you are talking about.

    1. Analytic

      Why should he be any different when talking about American politics than he is on any other subject?