“O Canada!” What An Energy Buffoon You Have “On Guard For Thee” In Ontario …Wynne’s Debacle

We’ve been hearing bits and pieces coming out of Ontario concerning its renewable energy debacle.

Now I read at the CBC an opinion piece by Robin Urback from late November on just how bad the situation is getting. Man, and we thought things were bad in Germany and Europe!

It turns out that Ontario prime minister Kathleen Wynne is the real deal when it comes to energy policy incompetence. The Ontarian version of the Energiewende is probably outdoing Germany’s very own.

Rex Murphy sums it up here at the National Post:

It cannot have escaped the attention of many that Ontario is most unsettled these days. That its industries are anxious, its debt colossal, its citizens not in a pleasant mood. Ontario is in a lot of pain.”

For one, Ontarians are up in arms over the skyrocketing electricity prices:

Electricity Prices - Historical Snapshot

Groundwork for an uprising? Ontario electricity used to be a low-priced commodity. Now prices are skyrocketing. Source: Ontario Energy Board here.

And according to the CBC, Wynne now says she is very sorry about the mess she has created with energy consumers. The CBC quotes Wynne:

Our government made a mistake. It was my mistake. And I’m going to do my best to fix it,”

If there’s one thing I like about Donald Trump, it is his advice that you can’t expect the very people who created the mess to later be the ones to fix it. They are the last people who should be involved in the solution. Their rightful place is in the unemployment line, in exile, or in a political gulag.

So why wasn’t this debacle prevented from happening? After all this is not the sort of thing that just pops in out of the blue. The answer is that Wynne and her team ignored and dismissed the constant chorus of warnings, thinking they knew much better. Urback writes (sarcastically):

In any case, we probably shouldn’t blame this one on the Liberals. Indeed, besides the dozens of reports, years of increasing consumer prices, dire financial warnings and protests over unaffordable hydro bills — there was no way they could have seen this coming.”

If any one has doubts about Wynne being way out of touch, check out what she said concerning coping with high electricity prices in a recent interview posted at FaceBook by KeepHydroPublic here:

Source of news clip: www.facebook.com/keephydropublic/?fref=nf

Note how she says she got her the energy costs under control by having her home renovated to make it energy efficient. In other words, she is telling viewers if you find it’s difficult to pay your monthly energy bills, then just spend thousands of dollars (that you don’t have, but she does) on renovating your entire house!

The site writes:

The Ontario Government has made it impossible for residents to pay their bills. When asked if she ever looks at her bill the Premier stumbles and says she’s privileged to have a house better renovated for less consumption. In 2017 we will fight the Ontario Government’s every attempt to blame residents about consumptions. The Government tries to blame residents for the bad deals they made which is costing people more. And now they want to sell people’s asset to pay for their mistakes. Ontarians do not have the privilege to lose their biggest utility.”

And what is especially stunning is that over 80% of Ontario’s electricity supply already comes from carbon-free sources (nuclear and hydro), making the mad rush into wind and sun, and all the social problems they bring, completely unnecessary. It’s all a big green show with huge cost and practically no benefit.

And these people think it’s the Russians?

 

65 responses to ““O Canada!” What An Energy Buffoon You Have “On Guard For Thee” In Ontario …Wynne’s Debacle”

  1. Mindert Eiting

    “it is his advice that you can’t expect the very people who created the mess to later be the ones to fix it”. May I remind you that the Dutch science fraudster, Diederik Stapel, was finally convicted to cleaning up the mess in our parks for two weeks. This is all he got but the humor of the Judge is telling.

  2. Ron Clutz

    I have a series of posts on Ontario’s electrical madness, the latest being

    https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2016/12/27/ontario-climate-policy-refugees/

    1. Ron Clutz

      The underlying problem in Canada, US, Germany and elsewhere is energy subsidies abuse.

      https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2016/10/12/mad-hatters-energy-subsidies-abuse/

      1. DirkH

        You are too charitable. Both in Canada as in Germany they know exactly what they’re doing; it is a blood-sucking Mafia operating with full knowledge of the consequences. The intent was never to produce energy and always to leech as much tax payer money as possible.

  3. Chris F

    Political leaders that commit treason upon her citizens like this deserve prison time for the rest of their lives and all their assets seized to help repay the damage.
    The brain-dead Liberal voters who gave her permission to do this should be banned from the voting booth for life also. This was foreseen by rational people everywhere and they knew this would be the result, they’re not stupid, yet they did it to us anyway. Very harsh measures need to be taken to ensure nothing like this ever happens again.
    Lock Her Up!

    Yes I live in Ontario and no, I didn’t vote Liberal in the last four Provincial elections.

    1. Susan

      Chris, I agree something needs to change. How do we get the Liberal voters to see this? Don’t tell me the never will or you’ve conceded before the race. Seriously, we both know it’s mostly the GTA that needs to flip. So, how is that done? So much outreach is perceived as partisan right off the bat so the other person’s not open to knowledge. Then there’s a huge group of people who are not at all engaged so they don’t ever vote too. They don’t think/feel/know that the political process affects their everyday life. We need to think about how to reach these people before the next election. What do we do?

  4. François GM

    I live in a Canadian province right next to Ontario, the province of Quebec. AFAIK, not a single word has been written about this scandal here. The religion of Global Warming permeates the entire society. Alarmist articles are published daily in LaPresse, one of the major newspapers in the province. I have written tens of letters to the editor for balance on the subject of climate. All were turned down.

    1. Martin

      LaPresse is such a propagandist of the scam, its up there with the guardian and the bbc. Its own by the Desmarais, which is close to power corp. and Maurice Strong. Francois Cardial is the new editor in chief, was the environment ‘journalist’ at the time of the climategate.
      He did a shameful job and he is now rewarded, and the former editor in chief, André Pratt is now senator.

      1. John F. Hultquist

        Maurice Strong

        Strong died at the age of 86 on November 27, 2015
        It would be interesting to know about the tangle of interests that begot.

    2. Ron Clutz

      François, the Quebec media and opinion makers are biased toward climate alarm, as you say. I am a Montrealer, and here is my take on Quebec joining the California Carbon market, and the implications.

      https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2015/04/15/quebec-joins-california-carbon-market/

  5. sod

    Interesting topic. let us look at some facts.

    This article gives 5 explanations and green energy is just one of them:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-hydro-bills-1.3860314

    so we need to look at hard data. Among all people, Ross McKitrick is giving some hints:

    http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/ontario-electricity-has-never-been-cheaper-but-bills-have-never-been-higher

    The main reason is: electricity got extremely cheap. That is, why bills are higher now ( a well known problem of feed in tariff schemes by now)

    There is even a very critical article in the Huff post, which has the best data:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/08/10/ontario-electricity-prices_n_11428302.html

    electricity prices down from 5 ct to 2 ct, bills up from 6 to 9 ct (until 2013).

    The CPC article that forms the backbone of this post has a clear message and a real number:

    “hose figures proved far more persuasive in soliciting Wynne’s penitence than did the extra $37 billion Ontario consumers paid in electricity costs between 2006 and 2014, according to a 2015 auditor general’s report.”

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/ontario-hydro-bills-1.3862838

    wow. $37 billion. I wished we were back to the good old coal and nuclear scheme before, which never cost anything!

    “On March 31, 1999, Ontario Hydro reported in its financial statements that it had long term debts of $26.2 billion and assets totaling $39.6 billion.[37]

    The fair value of its assets was substantially less than the $39.6 billion reported in the 1999 financial statements and therefore, in order to ensure the successor entities were financially solvent, the reorganization gave rise to $19.5 billion of stranded debt.[38] The stranded debt was the shortfall between the fair value of Ontario Hydro’s assets and the value of Ontario Hydro’s total debt and other liabilities transferred to the new entities. [39]

    Since 2002, the stranded debt is being paid down through a Debt Retirement Charge levied upon Ontario ratepayers.[40][41] [42] The Debt Retirement Charge is 0.7 cents per kilowatt hour (kWh) of electricity consumed in Ontario.[43]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_Hydro#Break-up

    Ouch. The good old coal/nuclear scheme also left a bill of $20 billion. so we look pretty equal, at worst!

    1. yonason

      From the McKitrick article you linked to…

      “The wholesale price, …, used to bounce around between five and eight cents per kilowatt hour (kWh), but over the last decade, thanks in large part to the shale gas revolution, it has trended down to below three cents, and on a typical day is now as low as two cents per kWh. Good news, right?

      It would be, except that this is Ontario. A hidden tax on Ontario’s electricity has pushed the actual purchase price in the opposite direction, to the highest it’s ever been. The tax, called the Global Adjustment (GA), is levied on electricity purchases to cover a massive provincial slush fund for green energy, conservation programs, nuclear plant repairs and other central planning boondoggles. “

      NOTE that actual price has declined “…thanks in large part to the shale gas revolution…” NOT to “green energy” like wind, etc. And what’s driving the cost up is the tax which is for all those scams the red/greens like yourself are so fond of, including “green energy.”

      Your link merely confirms that you are the one who is wrong.

      Thanks for that excellent reference, btw. It’s got lots more good stuff in it I can use to hammer you with later.

      1. sod

        “NOTE that actual price has declined “…thanks in large part to the shale gas revolution…” NOT to “green energy” like wind, ”

        McKitrick is not a neutral source. I linked to him (and the other articles, which are also not pro-renewables) because the articles contain data. The sentence you cite does not contain data, it is opinion.

        If gas plants were driving the price down from 5 ct to 3 ct, they would need to run at around 1 ct, IF they would make up about half the production, which they o not do.

        I really like this topic, because i had not heard of the problem in Ontario.

        But i really ask people to stick to data and not opinion!

        1. AndyG55

          McKitrick is very much a neutral source. He deals ONLY with the data.

          That is why he is so destructive to the AGW agenda

          And we all know how much you hate REAL DATA.

    2. yonason

      Having addressed your Financial Post link (when my comment comes out of moderation), I turn now to the two CBC links. In short, they (especially the 2nd, IMO) illustrate what dolts Leftists are. Tax and squander is all they are able to do. If it isn’t wasteful, they don’t want any part of it.

      The Huffpo piece is a more in depth look at what McKitrick wrote, and addresses the consequences of failed “green” economic policies.

      I think the appropriate expression here is that you’ve been trying “to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear,” and have failed miserably. But it is amusing to see you try.

    3. Graeme No.3

      Once again sod proves “you can lead sod to an article, but you can’t make him think”.

      In 2009, when the Green Energy Act kicked in with massive revenue guarantees for wind and solar generators
      The wholesale price … used to bounce around between five and eight cents per kilowatt hour (kWh), but over the last decade, thanks in large part to the shale gas revolution, it has trended down to below three cents

      Obviously, if the wholesale price is around 2.5 cents, and the wind turbines are guaranteed 13.5 cents, someone has to kick in 11 cents to make up the difference.
      The more the wind blows, and the more turbines get built, the bigger the losses and the higher…the cost to consumers.

      1. yonason

        “you can lead sod to an article, but you can’t make him think”. – GraemeNo.3

        LOLOL

      2. sod

        “Obviously, if the wholesale price is around 2.5 cents, and the wind turbines are guaranteed 13.5 cents, someone has to kick in 11 cents to make up the difference.”

        the same problem does exist in Germany. I understand this problem.

        “The more the wind blows, and the more turbines get built, the bigger the losses and the higher…the cost to consumers.”

        no. In the real world, some people pay the cost (mostly the average customer) while other people do not (those who buy electricity directly from the market.

        When a FIT scheme is driving down prices while increasing bills (as is happening in Ontario and Germany), there is a partial solution:

        split the benefit of low market prices between the usual benefactor (mostly industry) and those who pay high prices (mostly normal people). But pretty often this is not wanted. (a real problem is electricity delivered beyond borders but even there prices could be changed)

        1. yonason

          ” In the real world, some people pay the cost (mostly the average customer) while other people do not (those who buy electricity directly from the market.” – Baghdad sod

          And just WHO buys “directly from the market?” Show how you “know” that, and who they are and how they do it. And stop making such outlandish claims without proof!!!

          As best I can tell, everyone pays. The only differences are how it’s itemized on the customer’s invoice. There are ways for large consumers to reduce the amount they pay by adjusting when they operate (avoiding peak use hours), but they still have to pay.

          Also, stop pretending you have a “solution” to a problem you don’t even understand.

          1. sod

            “And just WHO buys “directly from the market?” Show how you “know” that, and who they are and how they do it. And stop making such outlandish claims without proof!!!”

            In Germany big businesses do that. I do not know about canada though. Do you?

          2. yonason

            Read what I wrote, sod.

            “There are ways for large consumers to reduce the amount they pay by adjusting when they operate (avoiding peak use hours), but they still have to pay.”

  6. R2Dtoo

    Morning Ron: I’m beginning to sense a change in Ontario. Sometimes these energy matters have to run a course, and real reaction only occurs after considerable damage has been done. Suzuki has had a massive effect on Canada, and Canadians have been inundated with environmental propaganda for decades. Those of us who live in rural areas interact with the real world on a daily basis, but those in our big cities have lost contact with reality and are susceptible to the missives of the NGOs and left-wing governments. That this can happen in Ontario, with the nuclear and hydro resources is very telling. Only time and the skyrocketing costs of so-called “renewables” can sink the CAGW ship. I think Notley has but one term in Alberta, but she is wrecking havoc with energy.

    If Ontario goes conservative, and Alberta switches back, the entire center of Canada will start to rethink energy policy. The two rising stars for a conservative movement are Pallister in Manitoba and Wall in Saskatchewan. Manitoba is building a new hydro dam near Gillam and should have good clean energy to sell to our neighbours. Manitoba remains about 95+% hydro and our rates are still reasonable and our supply is very reliable. If that difference becomes better known in Ontario there may be an uprising (ala Trump). Hopefully it won’t take a winter blackout to drive it home. First, however, we have to get rid of our King. What Trump does with the green blob will play heavily in Canada’s future.

    1. sod

      “If Ontario goes conservative, and Alberta switches back, the entire center of Canada will start to rethink energy policy. ”

      What do you think they will do? bring back coal?

      http://i.huffpost.com/gen/4591018/original.jpg

      That would be simply insane!

      1. David Johnson

        Why?

      2. AndyG55

        “simply insane”

        If there is one thing you would know, sop, its “simply insane”

        It is your very being, you see it in every mirror…

        and you know it is you.

    2. Ron Clutz

      RD, thanks for those reflections. The Canadian resistance to the green climate agenda goes beyond liberal and conservative. Look at recent survey results:

      https://rclutz.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/canada-survey-mostly-human.jpg?w=1024&h=707

      https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2016/02/25/uncensored-canadians-view-global-warming/

  7. Robert Christopher

    And all thanks to the late Maurice Strong:

    Strong chaired the Rio 92 conference and in the same year was appointed to Ontario Hydro. He became Chair and was given free rein by Bob Rae, socialist Premier of the Province. He set about applying the philosophy and policies enshrined in the UNEP program. These were designed to demonize CO2 as the byproduct of fossil fuel driven industries and nations. It was speculated by Strong in his comments to Elaine Dewar cited in The Cloak of Green (1995). He suggested,

    “Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/03/ontario-canada-a-mirror-of-americas-economic-future-mortgaged-to-falsified-climate-science

    So, Ontario’s collapse was only a start but hopefully, 2016 was a turning point with the ‘winds of change’ blowing in a different direction 🙂

  8. Bruce Lamb

    The chart above, showing the cost rising to an average of 11 cents per kilowatt hour is only part of the picture. On top of the charge for the electricity itself is the ‘delivery’ charge, bringing the total up to (give-or-take) roughly 25 cents per kilowatt hour. Stories abound of folks having to make the ‘heat-or-eat’ decision, now. And the rates are destined to go up even higher over the next few years — or at least they were until the political backlash started to happen. This whole debacle has been years in the making — starting with Wynne’s predecessor, Dalton McGuinty. Wynne had the opportunity to solve it but chose not to. Barring some sort of insane political miracle, she should be thown out of office in the election 18 months from now. But the mess she will have left will take years to correct.

  9. pete

    So, going by what Wynne herself said, the Ontario government should be helping financially its own citizens to upgrade their homes to be “better renovated for less consumption”, her own words. But instead she’s in cahoots with the green scammers/oligarchs driving the middle class to the ground.

  10. Curious George

    “[Kathleen Wynne] got her the energy costs under control by having her home renovated to make it energy efficient.” Maybe she (not taxpayers) should pay to make all homes energy efficient. Or maybe as a guilty party she should pay a quadruple surcharge to electricity prices.

    1. yonason

      What’s the bet that she managed to get that renovation done at tax payer’s expense.

  11. sod

    Simple question:

    who can explain to me, how shale gas can reduce the price from 5 ct to 3 ct.

    Just explain the mechanism.

    1. yonason

      Simple answer for your simple mind.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1-iqfSOaMQ

      1. Susan

        Why did you add “for your simple mind” to your response rather than leave it at “simple answer”? In adding that, one likely shuts down an opportunity to educate another. There’s very little chance to open a mind by starting with an insult.

        1. AndyG55

          Susan, you will see, over time, that there is absolutely no chance of ever educating the sop.

          Its mind is totally close to anything that isn’t AGW propaganda or unreliable power supply worship.

        2. yonason

          sod has consistently shown him/her/it-self to be a concrete thinking ideologue willfully perennially opposed to learning anything other than how best to lie about how wonderful green energy is, and he’s not even good at that.

        3. sod

          I did really ask a simple question. If gas was the reason for the price drop, somebody should be able how gas helps with the price.

          Please, explain it to me!

          1. yonason

            I pulled that quote from the article YOU LINKED TO. If anyone has to explain it, it’s YOU!! I already addressed that.

          2. sod

            “I pulled that quote from the article YOU LINKED TO. If anyone has to explain it, it’s YOU!! I already addressed that.”

            I gave the link to the article because it contains facts:

            “so we need to look at hard data. Among all people, Ross McKitrick is giving some hints:”

            But you ignore the data (electricity prices are FALLING!) and instead focus on false claims being made by the author.

            So i am giving you a simple question: How will gas lower the price below the price of gas. It can not!

    2. sod

      Nobody got an answer?

      Nobody willing to defend the claim made above?

      “The wholesale price, …, used to bounce around between five and eight cents per kilowatt hour (kWh), but over the last decade, thanks in large part to the shale gas revolution, it has trended down to below three cents, and on a typical day is now as low as two cents per kWh.”

      1. yonason

        Still asking others do your homework for you?

        It’s from YOUR link, sod. You should have been prepared to answer that yourself.

        1. sod

          I did give my explanation:

          “If gas plants were driving the price down from 5 ct to 3 ct, they would need to run at around 1 ct, IF they would make up about half the production, which they o not do. ”

          Gas did not bring down the price. fact. But you folks claim it does. Just explain how!

          1. yonason

            “Gas did not bring down the price. fact. But you folks claim it does.” – sod the stubborn donkey

            I’m not claiming it is. The economics prof in THE ARTICLE YOU LINKED TO IS!!!

            If it’s not correct, why are you wasting our time reading it?

  12. clipe
    1. Mikky

      The way to skewer green dreams is for an effective and quasi-independent regulator to set a limit on spending on improvements. A Greenie govt can opt to spend all the money on wind subsidies, but then none would be spent on transmission, leading to due electoral punishment when wires break.

      1. yonason

        I’ve read that’s what’s happening. All the money that should be going into maintaining the current infrastructure is being squandered on unreliable “renewables” and other pork-barrel nonsense, all the while reliable sources and distribution are being neglected.

  13. clipe
    1. yonason

      Thanks, for this and those preceding.

    2. sod

      From your article:

      “Mr. Chiarelli said the government opted for the Thunder Bay biomass plant because of “tremendous economic lobbying” from the mayor and the local mining industry, which wanted a source of power nearby. He said the government is also hoping to create a biomass industry in the area.”

      looks like good old fashioned “deal making” to me.

      1. yonason

        That’s what Leftists do, sod. Free market solutions are abandoned in favor of crony capitalism, which stifles freedom, quality and prosperity. These are YOUR people, sod.

        And, note the title “Ontarians paid $37-billion above market for electricity over eight years, Auditor-General’s report says ”

        That’s where your “refurbishment” money went. They flushed down the green crony crapper.

      2. yonason

        @sod 9. January 2017 at 8:27 AM

        That’s what Leftists do, sod. Free market solutions are abandoned in favor of crony capitalism, which stifles freedom, quality and prosperity. These are YOUR people, sod.

        And, note the title “Ontarians paid $37-billion above market for electricity over eight years, Auditor-General’s report says ”

        That’s where your “refurbishment” money went. They flushed down the green crony crapper.

  14. Ken Gregory

    Canada benefits the most of any country from CO2 emissions due to our cold climate and the economic importance of our forestry and farming industries. The small warming effect of CO2 and CO2 fertilization of our forests and crops are very beneficial. The FUND integrated assessment model shows at if equilibrium climate sensitivity is 3 Celsius, the net benefits of emissions continues to increase throughout the 21st century, and will reach $186 billion/year (CND$2015) by 2100.
    https://friendsofscience.org/assets/images/FUND_Canada.jpg

    The Alberta government has imposed an economy-wide carbon tax on January 1, 2017 of $20/tCO2, increasing to $30/tCO2 on January 1, 2018. Most of the money will be spent on subsidies to solar and wind power. The best climate science shows that ECS is about 1 C, the transient response is 0.85 C, and the warming from 2016 to 2100 from continued increase in CO2 emissions is expected to be 0.6 C. The global net benefit is about US$17/tCO2, likely range 11 to 19 US$/tCO2.
    https://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=2230

  15. yonason

    Ontario’s Leftists are robbing from the poor to finance projects that will make rich people richer.
    http://ontario-wind-resistance.org/2010/10/17/wind-power-ontario-has-a-plan-to-siphon-billions-from-consumers-pockets-by-2015-to-subsidize-wind-and-solar-power-producers/

    They’ve know about it for at keast 6 years now, and still it continues, because you only have to fool enough of the people enough of the time.

  16. sod

    Facts:

    “hat’s why the most important energy projects in Ontario in the coming years will be the $26 billion refurbishments of the Bruce and Darlington nuclear stations and a $307 million project to extend the life of the Pickering nuclear plant until 2024.”

    http://www.thewhig.com/2017/01/05/nuclear-power-key-to-ontarios-future

    This will obviously have no effect on prices at all?!?

    1. yonason

      “This will obviously have no effect on prices at all?!?” – sod

      It shouldn’t. But, because billion$ that should have gone to keeping that real energy going have instead been and are being squandered on useless, expensive and (un)renewable wind and solar, it will.

      Not sure why they have to spend $26 billion on “refurbishments” when that’s enough Gelt to build between 2 to 4 brand new nuke plants in the US. OH, wait, we;re talking Canadian money here. Nevermind. 😉

  17. yonason

    REFURBISHMENTS WILL BE SERVED

    But only AFTER the Parasite$ who are getting rich off of us have pilfered all they can.

    But we won’t be totally left out of the party. We’ll get to clean up the MESS they make, when their orgy is over.

    1. yonason

      And another thing, the “refurbishments” are on us.

  18. sod

    Here are some facts which should at least be checked:

    “The contribution of renewable power and the Green Energy Act (GEA) to cost increases has – despite media report s – been minor up to now. The analysis contained in this report suggests that, depending on assumptions, the GEA will contribute about 60% to th e price increase between 2010 and 2015 arising from transmission, customer and distribution and electricity price charges, but the GEA cost increase will be less than 25% of the overall cost in 2015.The contribution of renewable power and the Green Energy Act (GEA) to cost increases has – despite media report s – been minor up to now. The analysis contained in this report suggests that, depending on assumptions, the GEA will contribute about 60% to th e price increase between 2010 and 2015 arising from transmission, customer and distribution and electricity price charges, but the GEA cost increase will be less than 25% of the overall cost in 2015.”

    http://www.sustainableprosperity.ca/sites/default/files/publications/files/What%20is%20Happening%20to%20Ontario%20Electricity%20Prices%20March%207%202012_FINAL.pdf

    Here we have some evidence of different groups of customers avoiding costs:

    http://coldair.luftonline.net/2015/05/stakeholders-destroying-viability-of.html

    And here is a n explanation on how bad gas is for the prices of eletricity:

    “My analysis shows the natural gas-fired powered plants Ontario procured with NRR contracts generate about 60% of their output for exports, but cost recoveries, above fuel costs, cover about 3% of the base NRR contract costs.

    This is a pittance.
    This is why Ontario set a record for net exports in January – one it will likely break in February an an hourly average basis.Natural gas-fired generation where the bulk of the cost is embedded in the Ontario’s ratepayers charge regardless of market price.”

    http://coldair.luftonline.net/2015/02/ontario-is-sucker-of-first-choice-for.html

  19. sod

    In the real world it is often not renewables which are driving up prices, but hidden costs of fossile fuels.

    http://www.journalnow.com/news/local/will-you-foot-the-bill-for-duke-energy-s-coal/article_b6a318b7-7f06-5197-896b-1443cce9b436.html

    1. AndyG55

      Isn’t it funny that all these rises only exist in countries and places where “unreliables” have been subsidised into a small percentage of electricity supply.

      Germany, Denmark South Australia, Ontario.

      Highest electricity, highest percentage of subsidised “unreliables”, Highest electricity costs.

      1. yonason

        I don’t have data for you guys, but here’s some on subsidies in the USA.
        Iran is also responsible for IED-related deaths of US soldiers in Iraq…

        They are as UN-renewable as they can be!

        1. yonason

          Oops, that was for another comment that I ended up not making. Here’s that again, with the correct graphic…

          I don’t have data for you guys, but here’s some on subsidies in the USA.
          http://rightwingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/20.jpg

          They are as UN-renewable as they can be!

  20. tom0mason

    From a look around the financial press I do not see any economist or financial pundit that believes this Green Energy Act will be good for Canada let alone Ontario.
    One of the nicer posts is from http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/kevin-libin-the-false-choice-of-kathleen-wynnes-high-cost-low-carbon-utopia

    Where it says —

    As economist Ross McKitrick has pointed out, even the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the leading light for climate-change scientists, has suggested a point at which the economic costs of eliminating carbon are more damaging to people and society than the climate impact from the same amount of carbon. And the IPCC’s boundary seems to be about $20 per tonne. Carbon-price schemes in Alberta and B.C. price carbon at $30 per tonne. In Quebec, it’s $15. It climbs as high as $140 in Sweden, which even the David Suzuki Foundation considers “hefty.” Now, Wynne and Murray’s plan, through this lacework of subsidies, costs at least quadruple that. At worst — again, on the naïve assumption the numbers don’t rise — it’s 40 times the IPCC’s threshold.

    Yep, same old lefty thinking —
    maximum tax on the poor and middle earners, and virtue signal the cause, then laugh all the way to the bank.

  21. Tom Rude

    Canada is now run by the globalist elite, atlantist, russophobe, hand in hand with Soros, Biden and Obama/Clinton. Hence Trudeau’s appointment of the former Thomson Reuters editor Chrystia Freeland to the position of Foreign Minister. Trudeau and NDP Alberta Premier Notley are advocates of carbon schemes, peddling the global warming scare through Globemedia and the ever compliant CBC.
    Foreign Green influence in Canada has never been truly fought despite repeated promises by the former PM Harper…
    The following link details this foreign influence on Canadian politicians and issues:
    http://fairquestions.typepad.com/rethink_campaigns/

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