Conservationist/wind-energy protest group Rettet den Odenwald (Save the Forest of Odes) here writes that yet another endangered stork nest was recently destroyed at the forested location near a proposed JuWi wind park.
Controversy swirls over German wind park builder JuWi
Normally the clearing of forest land to make way for industry is required to undergo an extremely strict permitting process involving very detailed environmental impact studies. Violations are usually punished extremely harshly. But when it comes to wind parks in Germany, the fox in the henhouse often seems to rule. This also may be the case at a proposed JuWi wind park location in the area of Donnersberg (Palatinate).
Back in 2016 the existence of a nest at the location of interest was proven. The nest belonged to a pair of rare black storks that later gave birth to three offsprings that year, and to four more in 2017. Normally with such a nest in the area, obtaining a permit to clear away forest and to set up an industrial complex would be totally out of the question.
Rare and legally protected black stork nest gets allegedly destroyed in what is suspected to be a criminal attempt to clear the way for a wind park construction permit. Photo see: Rettet den Odenwald
According to Rettet den Odenwald, the nest belonging to the pair of rare black storks appears to have been recently willfully and criminally destroyed.
Earlier, local citizens had worked closely with authorities to stop the construction of five JuWi wind turbines, which had been permitted to be built right close to what later was discovered as the nest belonging to the pair of protected black storks. The black stork pair had been expected to return to its nest by early March to produce offsprings.
Tree and nest destroyed
But then on February 10, 2018, Rettet den Odenwald broke the tragic news: the tree in which the nest had been perched had been singled out and illegally cut down “by unknown attackers” using a power saw, thus preventing the stork pair from returning and successfully nesting this year.
The obstacle blocking the construction of the JuWi windpark in the area was in effect disposed of.
Destroyed tree in the Forest of Odes (Odenwald). Home to the nest of a pair of rare, legally-protected black storks was illegally cut down. Conservationists and wind park opponents suspect foul play by the wind industry. Photo see: Rettet den Odenwald
Path “reopens for greed”
The conservationist Rettet den Odenwald site writes:
This lawbreaking allows the permitting process for the planned and halted wind park to now appear in a new light. … The lawful protection that was established by the provision of facts was illegally undone and thus has again reopened the door for the greed of those with a stake in the wind park.”
The outrage by conservationists and wind park opponents came swiftly and loudly. Already on February 12 Rettet den Odenwald issued a press release in which they demand the Environment Ministry to assure that no permit be granted in the event of such criminal acts and that they take swift action.
JuWi condemns destruction
In a press release, JuWi stated that it “condemns the criminal act in the harshest terms”. Moreover the press release adds: “JuWi is filing criminal charges against unknown perpetrators for violating federal nature protection laws”.
The latest in a series of criminal environmental destruction acts
This is not the first time that nests and homes for protected species located in proposed wind park areas have been destroyed in Germany. Der Spiegel has reported on this before, e.g. see here.
Also read “wind power mafia” destroys stork’s nest here.
When it comes to saving the planet, wind parks seem to get away with everything nowadays. Often times wind turbines get installed right up close to residents and thus make them sick from infrasound, or they ruin idyllic landscapes, destroy biotopes, cause hazards in the North Sea, shred migrating birds, etc. Environmental concerns from citizens be damned!
As far as the wind park in Odenwald is concerned, don’t be surprised if its construction ends up getting permitted soon. Greed disguised as green always gets its way in Germany.
The irony, destroying nature to “save the planet”
In green zealots eyes this was a good compromise.
Or maybe it was just good, old fashioned greed.
Even if JuWi is innocent, the fact remains that the tree was likely singled out for destruction because of the inconvenient nest. Nothing would have happened had the wind industry stayed out.
Surely a tragedy, but why do you guys act as if every wind turbine in Germany (or the world, as later comments show) gets build on a rare bird nest?
Germany has very strict laws and getting a permit to build a wind turbine is a pretty lengthy and costly endeavour. The industry has to provide those permits before actually bidding in the auction, citizens who came together to bid have to provide it before they start building.
On a side note: how many entire villages had to relocate because of coal mining? What does strip mining do to nature? Let’s face it, if we want to have usable high entropy energy, every effort to do so will have an effect on the environment. I am convinced – and a lot of others too – that it’s ultimately the direct and indirect use of sunlight that will be the least intrusive. You guys seam to belief fossil fuel usage until the end is the answer 😉
The later “solution” doesn’t really convey that you want to save the environment in any way, so I find this simulated outrage about killed birds not very believable. Would you in an objective observer position?
I think you have a good point there SebH
Sebastian, look up what the word “entropy” means. If it happens to be too mathematical for you, “high entropy” is bad, “low entropy” is good. I agree that this is much ado about almost nothing. Most birds still build their nests, frequently without permits.
I suggest you look it up yourself. An irreversible process like generating electricity from heat/radiation always increases entropy. I see now that I phrased it differently above. What I meant was causing higher entropy or increasing entropy. Sorry for that confusion.
“An irreversible process like generating electricity from heat/radiation “
Irreversible…. roflmao. !!
You truly say some idiotic things sometimes, seb ! 🙂
“Sorry for that confusion.”
The perpetually CONFUSED seb. !!
ALWAYS.
“indirect use of sunlight that will be the least intrusive.”
And what exactly do you think coal burning is ??
Seems biology is also a zero-knowledge area of yours. Add it to the very long list !!
Every heard of Carnot?
Poor seb, still stuck in his fantasy world of the theoretically impossible.
No heat exchange is 100% reversible, that doesn’t make it irreversible.
Stick to REALITY, seb, if you can find it.
Seb, you wrote, “Germany has very strict laws…”
Need I remind you that Germany also has nearly 30’000 Wind Turbines on line with more to come. But were you aware that the normalized land use of a typical wind turbine (in terms of peak capacity per unit land area) is 2-3 orders of magnitude greater than a typical nuclear power or coal plant?
Thought not.
This is apart from the fact that ever more new wind turbines require destruction of pristine land, which may include heretofore protected forests and nature reserves. A truly difficult quandary for the Greens.
Finally, if wind and solar capacity is so extensive that Germany overproduces electricity on sunny, windy days (forcing it to dump electricity on the market free of charge) how can that contribute to stability in energy markets? And if the wind & solar “farms” are by law paid for power produced irrespective of any demand, how can such a system be considered “sustainable”, let alone “low cost”?
A boondoggle of epic proportions. Only simpletons would fail to see it.
Oh, wait.
Kurt,
I’d like to see a source for that claim (2-3 times landuse of nuclear/coal). It’s not like the area below a wind turbine becomes unusable.
Renewables have yet to see the day where they overproduce. It’s the base load powerplants that can’t easily be shut down, that are overproducing in those instances. Often because they can still earn money by exporting. Did you know that our neighboring countries on average pay roughly the price per exported kwh that a normal kwh would get the plants?
” It’s the base load powerplants that can’t easily be shut down,”
Why should they. It is them that the WHOLE SYSTEM relies upon to keepworking
What sort of manic fool would want to shut down the one thing that keeps stability in the system . DOH !!.
It is the solar and wind that can’t easily be started up when there is no sun and no wind.
UNRELIABLE, INTERMITTENT..
…. a burden to any system.
“Renewable’s have yet to see the day where they overproduce. Often because they can still earn money by exporting. ”
Again green lies.
Those green machines do overproduce when finally the wind is blowing for once and they have to give it away with negative prices.
Also the wind parks are often instructed by the grid operator to shut down when too much power gets fed in on windy days. Yet the park operator gets paid anyway…for power that never gets produced at all. This alone already costs Germans hundreds of millions annually because the costs paid for nothing by grid operators are simply passed along to the consumer. Little wonder German electricity prices have charged ahead to the front of the pack worldwide.
Never in the history of electricity generation has wind (and/or solar) overproduced. I think you misunderstand why negative prices are happening.
Part of the electricity market has long term contracts, not selling electricity on the exchange. The rest has to compete with zero fuel cost wind and solar on the exchange. Nobody has to give away electricity at negative prices, they do it, because it is apparently still cheaper than shutting down a baseload power plant.
That’s a different story all together and has to do with the capacity of the grid itself.
Please do me the favor and calculate what eurocent-amount this results in on the power bill. Thank you.
It’s the burden of the lazy ones. We could have build out the power grid a little bit faster and could avoid those costs. Now we have to pay for both. Big things move slow and are inefficient … welcome to reality.
“It’s the burden of the lazy ones.”
You mean your continual DUCKING and WEAVING as you do everything possible to avoid posting anything that proves CO2 causes warming ?
We could build decent coal, gas fired power stations and avoid all the WASTE on UNRELIABLES.
Shut down those base-load plant, designed to deliver 24/7, seb.
See what happens to your electricity supply.
AndyG55,
you could as easily ask for proof that gravity is causing the orbit that an asteroid takes. It’s the same thing … laws of physics, reality matches what we expect to happen from those laws and thus we conclude that we are pretty close to describing that particular mechanism. Except we can’t prove it, not with asteroid, not with CO2 causing warming, not with anything in the physical world.
Is there any chance you will understand this some day?
P.S.: Please design a system where only big base-load level power plants provide all the energy. Doesn’t work either, or is there some kind of storage solution so their output can be matched to the consumption? It will always be a combination of lots of solutions. A large part of which is and will be intermittent electricity from renewable sources.
Poor seb, I thought you weren’t replying to my posts any more.
But you can’t help your MINDLESS trolling can you.
And again another MINDLES, TOTALLY UNRELATED analogy in you manic evasions producing any actual science. So funny. So sad 🙂
It is noted by everyone that you are STILL carrying one with the PATHETIC worming and squirming to slime your way around your ABJECT INABILITY to provide even the most basic fallacy of your sick AGW religion.
ZERO PROOF that CO2 causes warming, seb
And you just keep proving my point.
You have made it very clear to everyone that your understanding of physics is that of a failed low-end junior high student, and your grasp on the concept of MEASURED EMPIRICAL PROOF is a total anathema.
All we ever get from you is a of load of ZERO-SCIENCE fantasy BS.
Its all you know, its all you have.
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“Please design a system where only big base-load level power plants provide all the energy”
ROFLMAO, you just described nearly every developed countries electricity supply system before they started this idiotic renewable caper.
Apart from a few very small local power stations, usually built for a specific purpose, that is how things USED to be when electricity was RELIABLE and PLENTIFUL.
Get example of a question brought from IGNORANCE, seb
We expect to see more in your every post.
“Germany has very strict laws “
… which are basically ignored by the AGW glitterati. !!
An eagle’s nest in Ontario was cut down for a wind project in Ontario.
It also caused quite a flap.
https://ontario-wind-resistance.org/2013/01/08/wind-turbine-company-nextera-mnr-destroy-bald-eagle-nest-habitat/ says in small part:
“Bald eagles typically start to look for nests in early winter and have been known to use more than one nest. By removing the nest before Jan. 6, it is anticipated they will find another suitable nest location and will avoid disturbing them during their critical nesting period.
Timing is critical as the eagles are not currently situated in the nest, however they have been seen perching in the area. Removing the nest will reduce the risk of eagle mortality at the site.
Thanks! That reminds me of the following: https://notrickszone.com/2016/07/16/i-could-throw-up-wind-power-mafia-clandestinely-destroys-rare-stork-nests-to-clear-way-for-turbines/#sthash.31ZZLV8Y.dpbs
And of course you’ve covered the industrialization of Schwarzwald before —
https://notrickszone.com/2015/02/25/german-black-forest-wind-turbines-yielded-only-11-8-of-rated-capacity-in-2014-frightening-results/
Why do reactionary old Germans regressives want all this forest for anyway? Get modern, get sustainable! Just tear down all those old decrepit trees and forests, there full of all those dangerous critters that spread diseases, molds, and fungus that rots everything. Look at what happened to the Eco-house – molded away.
No, just covert all that wood to CO2 neutral wood-pellets to sell to Britain for a big fat profit, then cover the freed-up, sanitized land into windfarms, solar-farms, and small scale industrial units — including data-centers, Bitcoin mining center, and a 3D virtual Eco-center along side the Sustainability Experience center.
Jobs, profits, and more energy than you’ll know how to utilize. What could possibly go wrong?
(/sarc-off)
Greenie activists invariably cause harm.
http://www.news.com.au/travel/world-travel/south-america/true-extent-of-greenpeace-damage-to-nazca-lines-revealed/news-story/383ccdd3e476edfebcfcbdc2af005f48
Destruction of habitat…
… the AGW/Green Agenda, writ large !!
Not only don’t they CARE…
… they go out of their way to cause it.
““JuWi is filing criminal charges against unknown perpetrators “
ie, someone is due a promotion…
What else can they do but FAKE it. !!
The line from the Queen in Shakespeare’s Hamlet comes to mind: “The Lady doth protest too much!”
Global installation of wind has dropped the last two years
https://i0.wp.com/gwec.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Global_Annual_Installed_Wind_Capacity_2001-2017.jpg
from NotaLot….
But talk about net production, not gross capacity!
Let’s talk about net production … 52573 MW added capacity. At 18% capacity (offshore has almost double that, but isn’t yet deployed as widely) factor that would be 82.9 TWh of electricity or almost 300 PJ. This is strange, since the BP 2017 report says renewables only grew by 50-ish PJ from 2015 to 2016 …
What’s wrong with those numbers?
Slide around the original comment, hey seb,
“Global installation of wind has dropped the last two years”
Its still a tiny pittance, at enormous expense, to achieve NOTHING !
Governments are finding that they can’t afford this intermittent unreliable idiocy.
You do know that in 2015, 2016 German wind was BELOW 17% of nameplate for more than half the time, don’t you. !!
https://s19.postimg.org/4z7h09rlf/German_Windpower.png
That really is PATHETIC.
You do know that you are talking about added capacity, not installed base … right?
Fine, capacity factor of 17% then. Doesn’t really change the calculation, does it? Renewables should have increased by almost 300 PJ just from wind year over year. But according to BP it’s much less. So what’s the deal with those numbers?
“You do know that you are talking about added capacity, not installed base … right?”
Yes seb, the amount installed each year is starting to drop, as expected. d
or you comprehend .. or not.???
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“Fine, capacity factor of 17% then”
roflmao..
run and hide from REALITY seb. Its all you can do.
Its below 30% of its nameplate 80% of the time!!!
It really is a WHY BOTHER non-supply,
Irregular, unreliable, intermittent, highly network disruptive.
Just a HUGE waste of time, money, effort and the environment.
Found the problem. The BP report is in Mtoe not PJ 😉
52.9 Mtoe equal 2215 PJ, so a growth by 300 PJ is completely plausible.
Kenneth mentioned 485000 5 MW wind turbines in another thread to keep up with the yearly growth in energy consumption alone. That equals 328.8 Mtoe of primary energy added by wind alone while primary energy consumption only increased by 171.3 Mtoe from 2015 to 2016 and at current growth rates won’t increase by that much per year even in the 2030s.
Big YIPPEE.
Tim Ball get all charges dropped by Weavel
http://joannenova.com.au/2018/02/tim-ball-wins-andrew-weaver-drops-libel-case-after-7-years/
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/02/13/breaking-tim-balls-free-speech-victory-over-andrew-weaver-all-charges-dismissed/
GREAT NEWS!!!
What I am going to suggest has been done by others but I suggest SebastianH do the arithmetic based on assumptions she/he deems reasonable.
Do a projection for 32 years, 2050**.
Get estimates for how much space (land) is required per wind tower.
If you like, include a percentage for solar.
What is the current total of electricity demand, and what in 2050?
How many towers (and their footprints) (+solar, if you like) will need to be built between now and 2050, to meet all electricity demand then.
What is the total land footprint of wind/solar of meeting demand.
If you like to play with numbers: How much wind solar has to be built per day to meet 2050 demand.
[Nameplate capacity is not acceptable, so specify an average capacity factor, and justify it.]
**A later year, say 2075 or 2100, is okay with me. However, going that far out might mean a new technology, perhaps dilithium crystals will have been introduced.
A Star Trek fan, nice 😉
Here is a TED talk on that topic, I liked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gAQ82IHyZ8 (it’s only 18 minutes, so please give it a try).
I’d say just let them flatten forests. It serves good because people will learn that there is then no forest, no storks, and still high price for electricity though it was to be that renewables are cheaper than hydro/coal/nuclear/gas combo.
Qui bono? The attacker could of course have been a third party that knew the nest and knew the nest would stop the project. The wind company should now both retreat and build a new artificial nest for the bird it disturbed.
I thought about this. Who would risk incurring the severe penalties committing such a crime? Unless that is the payoff is simply worth the risk. Of course this is not just some random act done on a random tree that happened to have a stork nest on it. It was committed by someone with a great stake in having that nest disposed of, or by someone hired by someone with a great stake. German criminal authorities in normal situation should have little trouble tracking the perp and bringing him/her to justice.
Best guess:
Since citizen participation is a thing when building wind turbines (they have a clear advantage in having to provide permits only after they won at the auction) I suspect that this is one of those instances where a company builds a wind turbine with citizen participation and one angry private investor got really angry when he/she heard that a bird nest is blocking his/her investment.
Where were you, seb?
This is the sort of LOW act you would relish.
Wohoo, you reached a new low. Troll achievement unlocked.
Trying to justify this action, really is a new low ..
… even for you, seb.
A better guess:
a troubled believer in the CAGW saw no other alternative in saving the world and humankind through Energiewende than to sacrifice one nest for the greater good of the holy Green Energy
Oh so terrible! I might not think of it.
Those fools think that by doing a bad thing with a “good” intention, the end result will be good. Yet another reason they are called “useful idiots.” …useful to those with destruction of civilization as their goal.
The scam of “green” energy exposed, yet again…
https://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/Green-Jobs-Rhetoric_Lyman.pdf
The only thing “green” about it is the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ pilfered from the pockets of hard working individuals by a bunch of CROOKS!
Truly unrenewable, or as I now prefer thanks to tomOmason, “ruinable.” Anyone advocating the widespread use of those monstrosities has neither brain nor heart.
You are hilarious Yonason. If only you could use your fanatism for a worthy cause instead of trying to make renewables bad. No brain and heart … damn good self-description 😉
Only person in a fantasy world here, is YOU, seb
Fantasy FIZZICS
Fantasy non-science,
Fantasy yapping.
Your whole life.
It is noted that you are again TOTALLY UNABLE to counter anything that Yon and put forward.
EMPTY as always.