If you’re wondering how desperate alarmists have become in the debate against the skeptics, look no further than Prof. Naomi Oreskes at the 1:12:40 mark of the following video, where she brings up possible “RICO-style prosecution” to go after skeptics. Hey, if you can’t win the scientific debate, then just have the US federal government declare it over and to go after anyone who doesn’t agree.
Obviously the alarmists are tired of losing and seeing support slip away. They just want to be declared the winner, and anyone who can’t accept that should learn to do so using the threat of RICO-style prosecution.
Much of the panel discussion has the participants trying to re-convince themselves there is a scientific consensus and that anyone who disagrees is just stupid anyway. They also talk about what the media can do to control the message, and they praise the LA Times for censoring skeptic views.
After watching parts of the above discussion, you’ll agree that the best thing to do is to just keep on doing what they hate the most: Focus on the data and the charts, and getting people to look out the window (that is if it isn’t buried in snow).
35 responses to “Alarmist Desperation Reaches New High: Naomi Oreskes Suggests “RICO-Style Prosecution” To Shut Down Skeptics!”
It’s so nutty that you can only laugh at it.
Except they are serious!
The first trial will be very interesting.
Despite an enormous amount of evidence showing the earth has not only failed to warm in the last 17 years but has in fact started a cooling cycle, these alarmist dummies continue to try to sell their utter nonsense. Fortunately they are not skilled enough salesmen to convince people out of reality. SUpport for this giant non-issue of warming will continue to wain. As the natural warming and cooling cycle continues on the cool side over the next decade they will be forced to flip their mantra to “gobal cooling!!! Oh no!!! We need more tax dollars to build giant heaters to warm the planet!!!”.
“After watching parts of the above discussion, you’ll agree that the best thing to do is to just keep on doing what they hate the most: Focus on the data and the charts, and getting people to look out the window (that is if it isn’t buried in snow)”
Should one not better demand Oreske’s be fired immediately from whatever tax-payer funded position she has, for trying to destroy scientific debate and introduce censorship? She can demand that from a street corner.
Not that I’m optimistic; as Obama constantly perpetrates extrajudicial killings, censorship is too small a violation of the constitution to even register these days.
The CAGW fascists are getting desperate. They know that they have to lock in the laws and taxes before temperatures drop and their fraud is exposed.
Ed Caryl 23. Februar 2014 at 19:11 | Permalink | Reply
Except they are serious! –
And that is scary, really scary.
Not scary. These people are rapidly losing their relevance and are still mired in 2006. The science has left them in the dust.
The science may have left them in the dust but IMHO these folks are criminally insane! They are deadly serious about prosecuting and imprisoning anyone who disagrees with them on any thing. They would have no qualms about killing millions to shut us up and keep their crazy ass’s in power!
Why stop at RICO-style prosecution? Why not try [-snip]?!
Roberts at Grist once advocated Nuremburg type trials for “deniers”.
An important case against Green law-fare has been ignored by climate skeptics: Chevron vs Donziger.
Activist lawyer Donziger won a $18 billion judgement in Ecuador against Chevron. There was obvious fraud, so Chevron filed a civil RICO suit against Donziger in US court. Trial closed in Dec, awaiting judgement. Donziger may be disbarred over this.
Chevron has a web site presenting their case: http://www.theamazonpost.com/the-fraudulent-case-against-chevron-in-ecuador. Google “Chevron Donziger” and limit results to December, business magazines have covered the trial.
Naomi Oreskes, the Guardian, and the UCS – it would have been tough for the organizers to get people more firmly attached to their side of the divide. The RICO stuff is just silly – there’s a money component in that which they’ll never believe just isn’t there. When the house of cards finally finishes collapsing it will be interesting as people figure out just how much has been accomplished by the skeptic side with so little financial support.
For RICO to work it has to show collusion as an ‘enterprise’ to enrich those in collusion. It would appear that like all ‘projection’ from the gullible warmists, this is what the warmists are guilty of. The most well known of the skeptics are unfunded and not making money whereas every well known name in the warmist camp has made money hand over fist from the cause and even academics on the warmist side are being enriched, they even call it ‘the Team’ (see climategate emails). As such a RICO prosecution against the warmists would almost certainly succeed.
Describes the Obama administration and the circles of cronies perfectly. Too bad that the government is the one gang that can break all the laws made for the peons.
Naomi, bless her little heart, is just a professor. She is allowed to say whatever she wants to.
DirkH says “She can demand that from a street corner.”
Isn’t that what she is doing? Street corners are no longer of much use to folks that want to reach an audience. TV, tweets, Face Book, and blogs are the modern “street corners.”
The US Constitution allows what she is doing. The constitution protects people from the federal government (Congress) and by virtue of the 14th Amendment, state legislatures. A blog host or a TV network, however, need not give anyone the freedom to “express” – private censorship is permitted.
As an historian she knows this. She is using the medium (remember McLuhan’s “the medium is the message” ?) to enhance her own image so she can sell more books, win awards, and so on. She may be hoping to be noticed by the Heinz Award committee as were the Ehrilchs, receiving $250,000.
If someone’s lunatic enough, there are ways to move them where they belong (an asylum).
I have never read something by Oreskes but considered her a third-rank historian or philosopher. This is perhaps the first time a historian tries to impose her ideas by criminal prosecution of her opponents. We live in interesting times.
This hardcore Stalinist b—- was ultimately hired as an *employee* at Harvard where I used to work. It’s really clear to me that my existential safety if not life was at stake all the time.
… and a butt ugly one at that, Lubos !
“They’re very much in touch with each others bunker mindset but totally out of touch with the popular Zeitgeist”
We should encourage them to put someone on trial. Wouldn’t it be great?
Perhaps one should take a look at what La Professora wrote, in her time. Wonder what deconstructionist spin she put on l’affaire Galilei?
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Did anyone ever watch the movie “MUSIC MAN”? These are nothing but traveling(running) RAIN MAKERS.
It gets dry, they claim THEY will make it rain.
It gets wet, they claim THEY can make it dry.
It gets warm, they claim THEY will cool it down.
It get cold, they claim THEY will make it warm.
BUT it ALWAYS involves YOUR money going into THEIR POCKETS.
FLIMFLAM CON ARTISTS.
Actually, Al “Occidental Petroleum” Gore, and his accomplices, should be arrested for CHILD ABUSE. They are running around this Nation TERRIFYING Children with horror stories about how the kids are being killed by their EVIL, UNCARING Parents. Gore also “ALIENATES AFFECTION” between Parents/Children by sowing seeds of unsubstantiated mistust. That Fat Son of an Unmarried Mother should pay for therapy for all the Children Traumatized by his LIES.
It’s a bit sad really…
These are educated people, presumably with some intelligence.
Shouldn’t they put their heads together and develop another scam?
This global warming / climate change / carbon dioxide scare mongering is over. The music has stopped – but they are still dancing.
Not quite as extreme as the New York Times suggestion to stab climate deniers in the heart with icicles.
Take your global warming bs and stick it back up your festering box. Enough of this delerium. Global warming = Do what I say and give me your money AND freedom. No chance. Peace.
More proof that CAGW believers are silly. The last thing climate change needs is a court case where the goal is to prove the skeptics wrong. But by all means, put prosecution in place for skeptics. Can’t wait. Another Scopes Trial.
To win the judge would need to find that the truth is not relevant to the case. That be hard for a jury to swallow.
Could someone explain to a non-US person what RICO entails? I assume it’s from some kind of high profile legal case?
Also, read the link to SLLAPP.
Thanks, I am apalled that someone representing a university could propse something like that even in jest.
As for SLLAPP it seems to me as a layman that it’s legalized abuse of law. You can in some cases use the judicial system as a political weapon and the one with the biggest financial resources wins.
“Hey, if you can’t win the scientific debate, then just have the US federal government declare it over and to go after anyone who doesn’t agree.”
What debate? LMAO. The debate that 95+% of climate scientists have already decided? THAT debate?
Or….are you talking abou the REAL DEBATE. The debate over SENSITIVITY. Now that…is a debate. And a debate worth having…..and continuing.
I do like the idea of imprisoning people for lying though. I like that…..on BOTH SIDES. There always needs to be a little “skin in the game” to keep people honest.
“I do like the idea of imprisoning people for lying though. ”
Careful; Obama won’t like that.
Buddy, these are the people you will be debating:
I think we have the other side outnumbered. Stop using that totally made up percentage. Oh, I forgot. Without it you have no argument!
Yes, the real debate is about climate sensitivity. None of the tests that use real data indicate it is over 1 degree C. Many indicate it is about 0.6 degrees or less, but I will go with one degree. Is that dangerous?
Of course they’re going to start doing this; it’s all part Agenda 21 to steal and control all the world’s resources and hold us completely in servitude.