Predictions Of Snowless Winters Go Down In Flames As Northern Hemisphere Gets Buried Under Ice

We all remember how some scientists (David Viner and Mojib Latif, for example) boldly announced some 18 years ago that snow and ice at latitudes 40 – 55°N would become rare.

Yet looking at the latest data, we see that ironically it’s bare ground that has become “a thing of the past”. Spiegel science journalist Axel Bojanowski tweeted here.

The Spiegel journalist tweeted (emphasis added):

Because there has been some commotion due to the #Snow: No snow at our latitudes is currently the exception worldwide (white shading).”

With frigid temperatures and heavy snows gripping much of the Northern Hemisphere, this is a quite an embarrassment for climate experts who earlier confirdently claimed snow would become rare due to global warming. Furthermore not only has snow returned with a vengeance, also global surface temperatures over the past 20 years have risen insignificantly.

World and business leaders should be reminded of this as they head to a snow-buried Davos.

Another eyebrow-raising anecdote is found in Montreal, Canada, where the mighty St. Lawrence River may have a U.S. Navy ship trapped until spring: “due to icy waters.”

Though we do not find ourselves in an ice age, it sure feels like it across the northern hemisphere this winter.

63 responses to “Predictions Of Snowless Winters Go Down In Flames As Northern Hemisphere Gets Buried Under Ice”

  1. Bitter&twisted

    I’m loving it. Over 3 metres of snow at the resort we have a chalet at. Went over New Year and it was great. Going again at half-term.
    The great big piles of global warming also show the intellectual folly of climate “psience”
    Double win!

    1. Bitter&twisted

      PS, diesel to the airport, jet to Austria, then diesel 4×4 while we are over there.
      Hoping to park in the rechargeable car park bays, like we did last time.
      Very convenient for the supermarket:-)

      1. SebastianH

        That’s the spirit! Nice try at trolling though …

        1. Bitter&twisted

          I take that as a compliment from an expert troll.

      2. AndyG55

        Yep B&T, just the weather for electric cars. not

        I bet you don’t see many navigating the snow roads.

        Probably why certain people continue to drive a Mercedes.

        Petrol or diesel?

        1. SebastianH

          We don’t have snow roads. That is the whole point … this winter is extremely mild so far (in Germany).

          1. AndyG55

            Petrol or diesel, seb ?

            Everywhere else is snowed under, but seb will be ok.

            Fossil fuels are great for heating and transport, aren’t they seb. 😉

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          ps.. good to see you admitting that EV are a ridiculous idea in the snow.

          Just as they are useless basically everywhere else except in fossil fuel powered inner city ghettos, as delivery vans.

      3. AndyG55

        Hey b&t, what do you reckon of the idea that EV recharging bays should only be hooked up to local wind and solar.

        Germany is building two electricity networks anyway, would be far better if they were kept separate, and those that wanted to “feel good” with some anti-CO2 virtue signalling, could refuse to use the fossil fuel powered grid.

        O they could continue to drive say, a diesel Mercedes.

        1. Bitter&twisted

          Great idea.
          Soon make the virtue-signalers face the reality of “renewables”.

  2. sunsettommy

    I have to dispute this line of an otherwise fine post:

    “Though we do not find ourselves in an ice age, it sure feels like it across the northern hemisphere this winter.”

    Actually we ARE in an ice age, but we are in the tail end of the interglacial time, descending into GLACIATION period which has been ongoing for several thousand years now.

    The two parts of the Ice Age consist of the following:

    Interglacial period 10,000-20,000 years

    Glaciation period 80,000- 90,000 years

    These are the approximate times of the Ice Age we live in.

    1. AndyG55

      Yep sunset, we are truly BLESSED to live in this brief warm period of the Interglacial.

      Why people complain about it, and don’t want the highly beneficial warm to continue, is beyond me.

      Unfortunately we are very much at the cool tail of the current interglacial and this small bump of the Modern Slightly Warm Period, looks like it might be coming to an end.

      Further warming up to the levels of the MWP or even RWP would have been bliss for all life on Earth, especially with added prize of enhance atmospheric CO2.

  3. tom0mason

    It’s such a shame that all those prediction from 20-30 years ago have all come to nothing! I would love to have more warmth!
    So cAGW advocates where’s my promised warming?
    Where is it?
    You guys with your greenhouse gas of doom have lied, and have made prostitutes of so much of science and so many scientists.
    So come you cAGW brainwash jerks, explain why are the winters getting colder?
    Why are summers in Europe not a hot as the 1970s, and 1980s and I don’t mean your fiddled figures I mean what I lived through as I toured Europe!

    Europe will freeze over before your CO2 heat generator makes any warmth. Your greenhouses are broken, your greenhouse gases are a fraud! Greenhouses do NOT require special gases to operate, it is an example of cAGW irrational thinking to call CO2 or water such nonsense.
    You fantasy computer generated tropical hotspot is missing, your sea-level rise is missing, your increased desertification is missing, your CO2 warmth is missing!

    Global warming is a fiction told by the UN to generate money from idiot governments like Germany’s and all the rest in Europe. You’ve all had long enough to come up with the goods with cAGW, now get real or ship out — THERE IS NO GLOBAL WARMING.

    1. SebastianH

      Where is it?

      Look at the data and refrain from calling it fake.

      explain why are the winters getting colder?

      Are they? Where? Is that another “feeling” you have?

      Why are summers in Europe not a hot as the 1970s, and 1980s

      https://www.dwd.de/DWD/klima/national/gebietsmittel/brdras_ttt_14_de.jpg

      I don’t mean your fiddled figures

      I see, the good old “the data is fake” claim … well, you can’t be helped if you rely on gut-feelings about the sciency stuff.

      Greenhouses do NOT require special gases to operate

      Thank you for reminding us that some skeptics out there believe climate science is claiming that greenhouse gases work the same way as an actual greenhouse does. Want to add anything else to that one?

      You fantasy computer generated tropical hotspot is missing, your sea-level rise is missing, your increased desertification is missing, your CO2 warmth is missing!

      Ah, there it is. You must be blind then, are you?

      now get real or ship out — THERE IS NO GLOBAL WARMING.

      And you saved the best thing for the end. I thank you very much, because guys like you exist on the skeptic’s side, there is no chance legitimate skepticism can shine through all the BS you are promoting/claiming. Oh and please continue suspecting everyone who challenges you gets paid. That makes the rest of what you say all the more believable 😉

      1. AndyG55

        Another ZERO science rant from poor little seb.

        Data shows ONLY Ocean effect warming

        You know that

        The so-called hot spot was never found except by erroneous magigal statistics

        You know that

        There is NO SIGN of any anthropogenic warming in the whole of the satellite data, just ocean release warming events

        There is ZERO SCIENCE to back up the fantasy of CO2 warming our gravity controlled convective atmosphere..

        You have PROVEN that to be that case

        The whole AGW farce is based on FANTASY that would do the Bros Grimm proud.

      2. Kenneth Richard

        some skeptics out there believe climate science is claiming that greenhouse gases work the same way as an actual greenhouse does.

        According to climate-science-for-beginners (NASA), CO2 and other gases act like the glass panes on a greenhouse.

        https://climatekids.nasa.gov/review/greenhouse-effect/
        Earth’s atmosphere does the same thing as the greenhouse.

        A greenhouse is a house made of glass. It has glass walls and a glass roof. … [H]eat is trapped by the glass and can’t escape.

        Gases in the atmosphere such as carbon dioxide do what the roof of a greenhouse does. During the day, the Sun shines through the atmosphere. Earth’s surface warms up in the sunlight. At night, Earth’s surface cools, releasing the heat back into the air. But some of the heat is trapped by the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. That’s what keeps our Earth a warm and cozy 59 degrees Fahrenheit, on average.
        —-

        Could you provide real-world evidence that the CO2 concentration functions as a glass-pane-roof and warms up the oceans’ overall heat content (0-2000 m deep)?

        1. sunsettommy

          NASA says,

          “But some of the heat is trapped by the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. That’s what keeps our Earth a warm and cozy 59 degrees Fahrenheit, on average.”

          False CO2 doesn’t absorb heat at all. It absorbs IR.

          This coming from Nasa!!!

          1. AndyG55

            It is designed for low-knowledge, non-thinking, brain-washed, gullible AGW cultists.

            Nice to see them saying 59ºF is warm and cozy.

            Well , maybe if you have the fossil fuel heaters on.

            Personally, I prefer around 68ºF (20ºC) or above.

        2. yonason (from my cell phone)

          With nitwits like those NASA boneheads who think CO2 can “trap” heat, it’s no wonder we can no longer send humans to the moon.

        3. tom0mason

          Indeed Kenneth, in describing our atmosphere in terms of being like a greenhouse, NASA distracts from the actuality of this planets atmosphere being many layered, each layer having it’s own peculiarities and interacting in complex ways with the layer above and below them.

          Saying our atmosphere is like a greenhouse (or a blanket) is simplification taken to the point of absurdity. Only an out of touch with reality, cAGW true believer and science ignoramus, could possibly think that such nonsense reflects how the atmosphere really works.

      3. tom0mason

        Well done seb,

        I deliberately put every meme I could think of to trigger your auto-chatbox response and you have shown up right on cue!

        You’re a chatbot defending broken greenhouses and the nonsense theory of them, running immediately to your ridiculous fiddled figures as a defense to the reality of having NO CO2 warming fingerprint (anthropogenic or natural). Humans are innocent of changing the climate.

        1. Kenneth Richard

          I deliberately put every meme I could think of to trigger your auto-chatbox response and you have shown up right on cue!

          I assumed that that’s what you were doing, as you usually use much more balanced language. You baited the hook and he swallowed it whole.

          1. AndyG55

            You can dangle an empty hook, he will still take it. 😉

            He is TRAPPED, unable to escape,

            ….. and doesn’t even realise it. 🙂

          2. tom0mason

            Yes Kenneth, in part it is a rebuke to a comment made a while ago —
            And you guys wonder why nobody takes you serious when you reply like that?
            seb by commenting here provides evidence that he’s wrong or maybe he is that ‘nobody’. 😉

            NOTE:
            Originally this comment by seb was left in reply to my rather sour comment I made to someone calling all skeptics ‘deniers’. Apparently returning the favor by suggesting they might be demented is not allowed in the lefty playbook.

      4. tom0mason

        “Thank you for reminding us that some skeptics out there believe climate science is claiming that greenhouse gases work the same way as an actual greenhouse does. Want to add anything else to that one?”

        No seb only the cAGW crowd are confused as to what greenhouses do and how different they are from the real atmospheric effects. YOU are confused!

        Lets quit the use of this irrational term as it is just a deliberate misdescription, offering as it does to the unscientific, the illusion of something simple when in reality it is a great deal more complicated. As we all know greenhouses (glasshouses) work because they limit air movement, and not by the agency of some magic gas.
        Too many folk are taken in by such inappropriate terminological distortions.

        There is no such thing as a ‘greenhouse gas’ or a ‘greenhouse gas effect’ because greenhouse do not rely on special gases to operate.
        The term should be deprecated as it is thoroughly inaccurate as a descriptor.

        1. tom0mason

          Also of note seb, is oceans govern the climate through their temperatures and circulations, modifying the sun’s relentless rhythmic variations.
          Current observations indicate ocean (SST) temperatures are plummeting globally. From this we can expect that air temperatures will follow water temperatures since the dog wags the tail, not the other way around (anti-science advocates put this the wronging way round).

          So seb, our weather pattern is changing as cold dry air has about 1/3 the heat capacity of moist air, atmospheric temperatures will become more volatile, and as most of the land masses are in the NH, we’ll have increasing probability of getting more snow in the coming winter seasons.

          see http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0958305X16686488?journalCode=eaea for more.

  4. SebastianH

    “Winter Snow Level Rise in the Northern Sierra Nevada from 2008 to 2017”
    http://www.mdpi.com/2073-4441/9/11/899/html

    “Anthropogenic warming impacts on California snowpack during drought”
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2016GL072104/abstract

    January 2018 will probably be a rather mild January. Nowhere near what you “feel” (ice age levels of coldness).

    And why is it an embarrassment? The only thing embarrassing is skeptics imagining a coming ice age in the next years. What will you guys do, when it continues to warm? Claim that the data is fake? (again)

    1. AndyG55

      Certainly embarrassing when you post two papers , one with actual science that shows snow increasing in the Sierra Nevada, followed by some AGW nonsense simulations showing it decreasing. There has been no Anthropogenic warming, so the simulations are meaningless.

      Seems you are trying to show just how little you read the stuff you post.

      Very embarrassing for you, seb.

      What will you do as the cooling trend starts to set in over the next few years, continue to yap like a mindless Chihuahua?

      1. SebastianH

        Certainly embarrassing when you post two papers , one with actual science that shows snow increasing in the Sierra Nevada

        Thank you for showing your level of understanding of the English language and science in general. But since it is “actual science”, please actually read this paper then and find out what “snow level rise” really means 😉

        Seems you are trying to show just how little you read the stuff you post.

        Well, I am not the one who just has shown his reading skills.

        1. Kenneth Richard

          I am not the one who just has shown his reading skills.

          Hatchett et al., 2017
          http://www.mdpi.com/2073-4441/9/11/899/html
          Positive SST anomalies offshore of California were associated with reductions in observed winter snow fractions. … If such a connection between SSTs, moisture plume strength, and snow fractions does exist, it suggests that snow accumulation may further decline with continued regional warming.

          What do your reading skills tell you that these two sentences mean, SebastianH?

          And can you detect an anthropogenic signal in this graph from the paper? http://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Sierra-Nevada-Snow-Cover-Increasing-SST-Hatchett-2017.jpg

          1. yonason (from my cell phone)

            You see, Kenneth; when CO2 molecules get overheated, they like to go for a dip in the ocean to cool off, warming the ocean in the process. //s//

            (Makes as much sense as anything SebH has to say.)

        2. AndyG55

          English is apparently seb’s second or third language.

          Science is not even in the mix.

          You are EMPTY as always, seb.

          Caught in LIE after LIE after LIE.

        3. AndyG55

          “Because of the short duration of analyzed data,”

          El Ninos are a great period to show warming, aren’t they seb. 😉

          Snow extent climbing over the NH

          https://s19.postimg.org/h771zurs3/nhland_season4_shadow-1024×842.png

          2017 snow extent was above average in 2017..

          OOPS, no-decline.

          First paper says “rising sea temperatures..”

          OOPS, SST’s dropping everywhere

          https://rclutz.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/hadsst122017.png?w=1000

          Too many WRONG assumptions in the first paper, destroys the actual science done.

          1. AndyG55

            “2017 snow extent was above average in 2017.. ”

            meant to read..

            Sierra Nevada snow extent was above average in 2017..

      2. yonason (from my cell phone)

        Poor chatbot SebH is lost in his own delusions.

        Mild January my foot…

        “First Week of 2018 Was the Coldest on Record
        in Dozens of Cities in the East.”
        https://weather.com/storms/winter/news/2018-01-09-coldest-first-week-of-january-on-record-east-2018

    2. AndyG55

      “January 2018 will probably be a rather mild January”

      January is nearly over (do try to keep up)

      And I really hope some of this comes your way 😉

      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/01/23/arctic-poised-to-unleash-another-massive-cold-outbreak-for-eastern-us/

    3. Kenneth Richard

      “Anthropogenic warming impacts on California snowpack during drought”

      Considering California and its regional surroundings are no warmer now than they were throughout much of the last thousand years…

      http://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Holocene-Cooling-American-Southwest-Temperatures-Loisel-2017-copy.jpg

      …and it’s cooler now than during the Medieval Warm Period, how does someone like you distinguish between natural climate changes and anthropogenic climate changes?

      Millar et al., 2006
      https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/6daa/48503fce1eaf519958f530ccdf4bbbe434b2.pdf
      Using tree-ring methods, we dated deadwood to AD 815–1350 and infer from death dates that the eruption occurred in late summer AD 1350. … Using contemporary distributions of the species, we modeled paleoclimate [Sierra Nevada, CA, USA] during the time of sympatry to be significantly warmer (+3.2°C annual minimum temperature) and slightly drier (−24 mm annual precipitation) than present).

      And what caused Medieval temperatures to be warmer than now…considering CO2 concentrations were alleged to be in the 270s ppm during that time? What was the warming (and subsequent cooling during the Little Ice Age) mechanism?

      By the way, it’s great to see that you’re finally attempting to use scientific papers. It hasn’t worked out for you here, but this is much better than your usual posts (name-calling, insults, and baseless accusations). Good job trying to use science. Now, do you have science to support your claim that the oceanic biosphere cannot adapt to the -0.07 pH change in the last 200 years because that’s too fast? Do you have science to support your claim that the Earth isn’t greening, but desertifying? You claimed you did have the data, but you failed to produce any despite several requests. Can we just assume you were fabricating when you wrote that you have data to back up your claims?

    4. Kenneth Richard

      “Winter Snow Level Rise in the Northern Sierra Nevada from 2008 to 2017”
      http://www.mdpi.com/2073-4441/9/11/899/html

      Looking at this graph from the paper you linked to…

      http://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Sierra-Nevada-Snow-Cover-Increasing-SST-Hatchett-2017.jpg

      …and to these statements about warming reducing snow fraction…

      Hatchett et al., 2017
      http://www.mdpi.com/2073-4441/9/11/899/html
      Winter Snow Level Rise in the Northern Sierra Nevada from 2008 to 2017. … Positive SST anomalies offshore of California were associated with reductions in observed winter snow fractions. … If such a connection between SSTs, moisture plume strength, and snow fractions does exist, it suggests that snow accumulation may further decline with continued regional warming.

      …can you explain why it is that you chose this paper to support your claims about anthropogenic forcing and snow cover trends?

    5. AndyG55

      It is noted in this chart that

      http://www.mdpi.com/2073-4441/9/11/899/html#fig_body_display_water-09-00899-f002

      1. Snow level in 2017 is the same as 2012 even though the EL Nino effect has not fully subsided.

      2. Snow fraction is greater than 2009, 2010.

      The meaningless of short term data is thus exposed.

      And the whole paper thus consigned to the circular file. !!!

      1. Kenneth Richard

        Yes, but at least this time SebastianH actually attempted to support his claims with actual scientific papers (albeit unsuccessfully). He usually just makes claims and then absconds when asked to back them up.

        1. AndyG55

          Yes, at least he made an effort for a change.

  5. Christopher Hanley

    Climate4you has an excellent page on NH snow cover trends from Rutgers U.
    Prof Humlum notes there has been no overall trend since 1972 while for Greenland there has been a slight increasing trend of snow cover at the end of summers over those 45 years.

    1. AndyG55
  6. AndyG55

    LOL, Newest US Navy vessel stuck in ice..

    NOWHERE NEAR the North West Passage 😉

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/01/23/climate-change-disables-us-navys-newest-ship/

  7. Green Sand

    Sun’s energy warms the Earth. Earth stores energy in the oceans. Keep a weather eye on what Ron Clutz is following:-

    ‘Oceans Cool Off Previous 3 Years’

    https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2018/01/18/oceans-cool-off-previous-3-years/

  8. John F. Hultquist

    Not knowing what the weather will do beyond tonight, one ought to pay attention to what is known.
    In the Cascades of Washington State it is snowing big time.
    Accidents have begun, roads are being closed, and the ski areas are happy.

  9. AndyG55

    Totally OT.

    Does anyone know the forum script for “underline” ?

    1. tom0mason

      The tag that I am familiar with to underline text is no longer valid in HTML 5, and has become outdated. There is no simple replacement!

    2. tom0mason

      Lets just try that again…
      The tag that I am familiar with to underline <u ></u > text is no longer valid in HTML 5, and has become outdated. There is no simple replacement!

      1. AndyG55

        Yep, I tried that.

        Upgrades always make things better, don’t they 😉

        1. yonason (from my cell phone)

          OK, I’ll bite…

          Yes. The chatbot’s recent software update being a case in point.

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  11. Bitter&twisted

    Seb’s gone awfully quiet.
    Brain implosion?

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  14. SomeDutchGuy

    I’m a model ship builder from The Netherlands. I build working model ships and a big part of this hobby is going for a sail outside.

    Offcourse you need nice and sunny weather for this. Something we don’t get a lot of in The Netherlands. Imagine my excitement in the

    early 2000’s when the national weatherman (Peter Timofeeff) started to talk about global warming on national TV. It was stated that

    temperatures would rise in the coming decades and we would get the same climate as the south of France. Where other people saw doom I

    saw only good news for my outdoor hobby. Even my dad was happy since he just started an outdoor garden railway.

    I am also a car nut so I was very much looking forward to sunny drives and car meetings in nice and warm weather. And not having to work

    on my car in the rain and cold (I didn’t have a garage then) sounded like another plus. In medieval times global temperatures where much higher and we definiteley survived that without any real problems because 500 years later we are still very alive and kicking. So I didn’t worry al that much about the whole global warming thing.

    But all of this never materialized. Apart from a handfull of nice summers since 2000 the weather has been the same godawful cold, grey

    and rainy mess. Even worse, in the last decade summer seems to come ever later. Every year the national weather people claim the sunny

    summer weather will really really come in the next few weeks but it’s always delayed. And when it finally arrives they say “It was a

    long wait but finally here it is!”. As if that makes things okay. Barely two months later we are back at the aforementioned rain again.

    Since around 2008 I even started to use winter tyres because of the substantial increase in snow every winter. Something I always wished for as a child because I wanted to build an iglo. But I only got to build an iglo once since there was never any real snow ever. Even the iglo lasted only a week until it quickly melted away.

    A while ago I saw an episode of “Cosmos” with Neil Degrasse Tyson. The topic was climate change and what stuck most in my head was the

    part of the dog zigzagging the beach, illustrating we should look to the average weather over the course of the years. So when I do this

    all I see is the same average bad weather we have always had. No southern France like temperatures, more snow in winter, prolonged

    periods with colder than usual temperatures (as stated by the national weather service knmi.nl) and short summers which are not really

    all that great. Having outdoor hobbies you tend to keep track of that.

    Over the past fifteen years I very frequently stood by the side of the water shivering from the cold weather and rain, clutching my RC

    transmitter in the hopes it would get better soon. But it doesn’t seem to. When people from other countries come here to join our yearly

    model ship show we frequently have to remind them it does not always rain here. But they always tease us with it. Go figure.

    So where is this global warming? Where is the southern France climate which was promised to me almost two decades ago? After 15+ years of waiting I am losing my patience. This whole global warming claim is not found in the satellite temperature data from Nasa. Worse still the whole “hockeystick” debacle (https://principia-scientific.org/breaking-fatal-courtroom-act-ruins-michael-hockey-stick-mann/) tells me I will probably never get the warm climate I desire. Despite of all this our government eco-taxes everything into oblivion and I get to pay for something I will probably never get. In the old west they had a name for this: Snakeoil!

    I do believe we should try to dump as little waste into the air and the environment as possible. It’s just a sensible thing to do just in case. And I actually want the climatescientists to be right. But i fear on this topic they are not and we are all taken for a huge ride by scientists, politicians and environmental crackpots for their own gains. I feel duped……………………………….

    (@website admin: feel free to turn this into a column haha ;-))

    1. AndyG55

      “I do believe we should try to dump as little waste into the air and the environment”

      So do I. REAL pollution should always be minimised.

      But CO2…..

      It is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL for all life on this carbon based planet of ours.

      Its atmospheric percentage is currently only just above plant subsistence level, and much MORE is needed.

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