German climate catastrophe-obsessed blogsite klimaretter.com here has a 2-part story on a recent alarmist panel discussion held in Berlin and sponsored by Germany’s version of the Guardian, the TAZ. The panel discussion was dubbed: “The climate conference circus! Just how stupid is it?” The motto of the 2-hour discussion: “It can’t keep on like this!”
Photo right: Oliver Geden
A better title may have been: Is it better to keep pretending? That’s the question the discussion panel addressed – for real!
The main speakers were the constantly climate-petrified Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Institute (PIK), and green thinker Oliver Geden (photo above right) of the German Institute for International and Security Affairs.
The two experts are not at all happy that their beloved green movement is horribly bogged down in an endless swamp with no hope of ever getting out. Geden unloaded over the crumbling green movement and especially the 2°C target: “a placebo designed to pacify society“, an instrument that allows people “to act like they are doing something when in fact they are not.” He called the 2°C target “nothing but talk“. Geden has had enough and is now calling on the warmists to wake up and face the truth: “The 2°C target is hopeless.”
Recall that for German warmists the “2°C target” is really just a code-word for “almost complete decarbonisation by 2050”.
To reach the “2°C target”, Rahmstorf claims that “not a single conventional power plant must be allowed to be built globally after 2017” and that the planet would have to reduce its GHG emissions 10% by 2020. An impossibility.
And slowly it is beginning to dawn on the diehard warmists that reaching this pie-in-the-sky CO2 reduction target is a pipe dream of the 10th order. In fact the opposite trend is today’s reality: CO2 emissions rose in 2012 and coal is making a comeback. Geden sees it, and commented on the “2°C target”: “We are living in a fantasy world.” Geden is now asking his fellow warmists to come to terms with this reality.
But the warmists and Rahmstorf refuse to hear it. If the 2°C target is abandoned, then the whole thing goes.
Rahmstorf blames the spiraling failure on policymakers, saying: “the political resolve is missing“. Yet Rahmstorf and the audience refused to share Geden’s pessimism and demands to face the reality. According to klimaretter, Rahmstorf defiantly declared: “We will fight to the end!” The crowd applauded for the first time, klimaretter writes.
Klimaretter at the very end poses the following (remarkable) question:
Are we playing into the hands of the climate protection opponents when someone like Geden requests that we really have to be honest and declare the 2°C target almost impossible to reach?”
Say what! Yes. this is the question the warmists are now struggling with. Put in simple words: “Do we accept reality, or is it better to keep pretending (so that we don’t maybe play into the wrong hands)?” Unbelievable lows the warmists have maneuvered themselves into.
It’s over. They’re in their bunkers with hands trembling.
Reader krawallo comments:
When mankind stops believing in God, but then indeed in science?
But when science researches only nonsense, then eventually mankind stops believing in science. And then the conferences fail.It has never been possible to build on lies.”
Our skeptical (calm) hands are open and waiting.
Photo credit Oliver Geden: swp-berlin.org.html
Rahmstorf’s hair has really turned gray.
yep, definately got older! 🙂
but smarter?
My skeptical hand is open and waiting.
I want my money back, Rahmstorf. Pay it all back.
“Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive.”
Sir Walter Scott.
Incredible? Or maybe not – for any sane human being who is concerned with the truth, scientific empiricism and ethics – CAGW was always what it seemed – a large crock of s**t.
Rahmstorf, along with his comrade that mendacious lying mad as a hatter Schellnhuber – has always struck me as does Phil Jones – as very unsure of himself and definitely uncomfortable with telling pork pies [lies].
Well, it turns out as we did suspect – from the beginning CAGW it was all a big fat lazy lie – trouble is the scam goes on and the taxpayer/consumer is still paying for this grand fraud.
Thus, now it is appropriate and justly legitimate for the people to call time on this climate devilment. To call time, on the politicians who pushed the lies beyond the pale – one can only surmise that the political claque had a say in where the money went – into their back pockets, it would be a good place to start to look.
End the lies, stop the scam.
UK scientists achieve breakthrough: Genetically modified bacteria from the human intestine produce Biodiesel. This could be a great step towards reduction of greenhouse gases.
http://www.focus.de/wissen/technik/mobilitaet/designer-bio-kraftstoff-darmbakterien-produzieren-gebrauchsfertigen-diesel_aid_967542.html
FDP boss says “There is no turning back in climate protection”.
http://www.bild.de/politik/inland/philipp-roesler/wirtschaftsminister-im-bild-interview-30094058.bild.html
Immer, immer bis zum Sieg! (Honecker) (German version of Hasta La Victoria Sempre)
Good grief – words fail me.
[Erich] Honecker – that name still gives me cause to nightmares – and I didn’t live in the DDR.
“Staliśmy nad przepaścią, ale zrobiliśmy krok do przodu!” Wladyslaw Gomulka
“Gestern standen wir noch am Abgrund, heute sind wir schon einen großen Schritt weiter ”
http://pl.wikiquote.org/wiki/Polska_Rzeczpospolita_Ludowa
Major movements in Germany rarely appear reversible…they often seem to end in a big fiery crash. Even when there is absolutely no hope, the cry is “fight on to the end!”
Anyway, Rösler does add: “Eines aber ist entscheidend, damit die Energiewende auch weiterhin akzeptiert wird: Strom muss bezahlbar bleiben. Das Hauptproblem ist nach wie vor die üppige Förderung der Erneuerbaren. Die bezahlt jeder mit seiner Stromrechnung.”
I see it as waves of looting and pillaging. The first was in 1990, exchanging worthless DDR mark 1:1 into Westmark.
The second was in 2001, exchanging 2 Westmark into 1 Euro; a ridiculous exchange rate. I haven’t been on a Eurozone vacation since.
The third was the combination of ecotax, ETS/Kyoto, renewables FIT and all the other loot for the warmists which is still ongoing; Rahmstorf’s wage is part of this.
The fourth one will be a wholesale monetary catastrophe and confiscation by the state in my opinion.
Wrong. It’ll be the confiscation of your opinion.
Perhaps it’s already been made worthless.
The EU is not democratic and rules now.
My opinion is indeed already worthless.
The EEG rate goes up!
“Dena-Chef Stefan Kohler sagte, die Umlage werde nach jetzigem Stand von 5,3 Cent auf sechs bis 6,3 Cent pro Kilowattstunde steigen. Es sei fatal, dass die Verhandlungen zur Strompreisbremse gescheitert seien: “Es besteht dringender Handlungsbedarf.””
Dena-Chef said, the EEG rate will go up, from current 5,3 Cent to 6 or 6,3 Cent/kWh in the next year. The breakdown in negotiations will have disastrous consequences for consumers. We need to take action.
http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article115517516/Strom-wird-noch-mal-drastisch-teurer.html
My guess is a rise to 6.625 Eurocents/kWh. Because total FIT costs rise with 25% a year.