Lomborg: Getting One Inch Less Of Sea Level Rise By The End Of The Century Will Cost $500 Billion Annually!

6 responses to “Lomborg: Getting One Inch Less Of Sea Level Rise By The End Of The Century Will Cost $500 Billion Annually!”

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   DirkH 31. May 2013 at 12:37 AM | Permalink

   O/T Tobacco is the energy of the future.
   http://www.euronews.com/2013/05/30/biofuel-ling-change-with-tobacco/

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   Climate_Science_Researcher 31. May 2013 at 3:28 AM | Permalink

   Any sea level rise won’t be due to carbon dioxide.

   If you believe that planetary surface temperatures are all to do with radiative forcing rather than non-radiative heat transfers, then you are implicitly agreeing with IPCC authors (and Dr Roy Spencer) that a column of air in the troposphere would have been isothermal but for the assumed greenhouse effect. You are believing this because you are believing the 19th century simplification of the Second Law of Thermodynamics which said heat only transfers from hot to cold – a “law” which is indeed true for all radiation, but only strictly true in a horizontal plane for non-radiative heat transfer by conduction.

   The Second Law of Thermodynamics in its modern form explains a process in which thermodynamic equilibrium “spontaneously evolves” and that thermodynamic equilibrium will be the state of greatest accessible entropy.

   Now, thermodynamic equilibrium is not just about temperature, which is determined by the mean kinetic energy of molecules, and nothing else. Pressure, for example, does not control temperature. Thermodynamic equilibrium is a state in which total accessible energy (including potential energy) is homogeneous, because if it were not homogeneous, then work could be done and so entropy could still increase.

   When such a state of thermodynamic equilibrium evolves in a vertical plane in any solid, liquid or gas, molecules at the top of a column will have more gravitational potential energy (PE), and so they must have less kinetic energy (KE), and so a lower temperature, than molecules at the bottom of the column. This state evolves spontaneously as molecules interchange PE and KE in free flight between collisions, and then share the adjusted KE during the next collision.

   This postulate was put forward by the brilliant physicist Loschmidt in the 19th century, but has been swept under the carpet by those advocating that radiative forcing is necessary to explain the observed surface temperatures. Radiative forcing could never explain the mean temperature of the Venus surface, or that at the base of the troposphere of Uranus – or that at the surface of Earth.

   The gravitationally induced temperature gradient in every planetary troposphere is fully sufficient to explain all planetary surface temperatures. All the weak attempts to disprove it, such as a thought experiment with a wire outside a cylinder of gas, are flawed, simply because they neglect the temperature gradient in the wire itself, or other similar oversights.

   The gravity effect is a reality and the dispute is not an acceptable disagreement.

   The issue is easy to resolve with a straight forward, correct understanding of the implications of the spontaneous process described in statements of the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

   Hence radiative forcing is not what causes the warming, and so carbon dioxide has nothing to do with what is just natural climate change.

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      NeilM 31. May 2013 at 2:15 PM | Permalink

      Nice explaination and one that I can actuallly understand, thanks.

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      DirkH 31. May 2013 at 2:26 PM | Permalink

      I googled for Loschmidt and Virial Theorem and found this very interesting comment:
      https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/the-loschmidt-gravito-thermal-effect-old-controversy-new-relevance/comment-page-1/#comment-13004

      And related of course:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_gas_law
      (think what happens when you compress the air in a bicycle pump. It doesn’t heat up because of infrared radiation)

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   Layne Blanchard 31. May 2013 at 8:20 AM | Permalink

   Is that extra bone in Herr Altmaier’s forehead?

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   Casper 1. June 2013 at 9:55 PM | Permalink

   AGW? Bills? New Taxes? It is business as usual…