“Climate-Saving” Green Energies In Germany “Also Useless In November”!

The Germany-based European Institute for Climate and Energy (EIKE) here recently reminded readers of two things: 1) renewable energies are performing woefully and temperature trends for Germany are pretty much flat, meaning they do not even remotely resemble anything you’d expect from a rapidly warming globe.

A look at the “climate-rescuing” new energies

By Helmut Kuntz
(Translated/edited by P Gosselin)

This comment pretty much remains the same as the last one posted for October. Also in November the new energies have proven their uselessness. Supposedly they are already delivering 35% of the electric power demand – however only in the rare times that it actually gets produced.

Overall there are still no signs of a “reliable supply” and baseload capability to be seen anywhere.

Germany’s November plots for demand (red), wind power (blue) and solar power (yellow). Often both sun a wind were practically AWOL. Source: R. Schuster

If the installed green power capacity were to be tripled, then the result would look like that shown in the following chart. Consumption would still not be able to be covered – even using (currently unavailable) storage capacity. What’s glaring is the low level power yield seen in November with regards to the installed capacity. The power grids have to be designed to handle the rated installed capacity.

One can already imagine the feed-in act-related installation madness that remains ahead for Germany.

Germany November plots for the new energies multiplied by 3 and consumption (Verbrauch).The upper red line at 270,000 MW represents the tripled installed capacity. Source: R. Schuster.

The above chart clearly shows that even a tripling of installed rated capacity to 270,000 MW would still not even come close to covering Germany’s electricity needs.

Very little warming in November since 1962

On temperature in Germany, the following chart shows the mean temperature for November, starting in 1962. A rapid heating looks much different.

Germany DWD national weather service November-temperatures for Germany from 1962 to 2016 (blue), 30-year mean value (brown). Chart produced from DWD data by Helmut Kuntz


Also November shows an unbelievable normalcy with respect to climate. The great breakaway change predicted by computer simulations is still nowhere in sight.


11 responses to ““Climate-Saving” Green Energies In Germany “Also Useless In November”!”

  1. sod

    why not look at the real graph for 31 days?

    (just hit the 31 days button)

    this post ignores water and biomass. it also ignores that offshore wind is much more stable than onshore.

    Yes, simply doubling those renewables would already cover the majority of our electricity needs. and with a little storage and electric cars we would gain additional flexibility.

    And it is winter, and local gas plants can add distributed heating.

    1. Pethefin

      …still living in the safe-space of a bubble… all that confirmation bias must be taking a toll on you, your argumentation has become less and less spirited

    2. Analitik

      simply doubling those renewables

      I think that’s all you need to say, sod, to totally invalidate anything else you want to state.

      Learn how to do math (integration and derivation at the very least).

    3. yonason

      “with a little storage and electric cars we would gain additional flexibility.”- sod

      electric cars? You do realize that would only add to the demand for power, don’t you?

    4. DirkH

      “this post ignores water and biomass. ”

      Hydropower is not part of the new centrally planned subsidy economy. It was in fact the first successful application of Tesla’s genius. No not that Tesla, the real one.

  2. DirkH

    Well the idea is, just build that crap, finance it by stealing money from the consumers, and keep the entire old infrastructure as backup.
    Or in one word: WASTE.

    The collapsing growth rates across the West are caused by the inept corrupt politician species that has parasitically overgrown society to consume all surplus.

    1. yonason

      Who would have thought we would see a critter “evolve” that could consume a pound, and excrete 10.

  3. Analitik

    Could be worse – you could be closing down and blowing up coal plants and relying on the goodwill of neighbors with interconnections to hold up your grid.

    That’s South Australia’s approach, anyway.


    Meanwhile, a sign of the upcoming summer for South Australia and also for post March 2017 when Victoria loses the Hazelwood brown coal power station


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  5. tom0mason

    Of course some advocate that visits here tells me that actual output matters less than renewables reliably supplying enough electricity ‘on average’, rather than on demand.
    I wonder how may people would have died in November had Germany been foolish and went over completely to unreliable power.

    The green myth is deep, and ensures totally impracticable solutions for imaginary problems. It also allows engineering problems to be ‘solved’ by mere bureaucrats.

  6. Derek Colman

    It’s no fun for consumers either. Over 600,000 German households are cut off because they can not pay their electricity bills. Electricity is only for the well heeled in the brave new world of green energy. They are saving the planet, so stop moaning about hypothermia. It only kills the poor. In the war against climate change, a little collateral damage is to be expected.

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