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“…NOTHING REMOTELY REMARKABLE…”
Well, there is one thing, actually. That would be the lunatic fanatic response to the non-emergency the warmists tell us to fear. Just one example:
from here: http://climatescience.blogspot.com/2019/02/medieval-warm-period-heat-still-in-deep.html
When the harm caused by the response to an event far exceeds that caused by the event, you know your response is the wrong one.
Humorous case in point of the cure is worse than the disease.
Whew! At least THAT bee won’t sting anyone.
Yonason, your source is not very trustworthy and doesn’t give a source for their claims either.
It doesn’t and energy is still ridiculously cheap compared to what it does.
Anyway, I find it interesting how you guys try to play this down as unremarkable. Totally failing to do so, but I guess your community needs to reassure itself from time to time that nothing is really going on and if it were than it’s more like a good thing, right? 😉
I would very much like you to refrain from using frankly moronic claims as to current electricity prices. Pardon my french, but what you said is simply offensive to millions of people in developing countries, where energy costs are a sigificant position in an average family’s budget.
If german prices were to be applied directly in my country monthly electricity bill would quadruple and come dangerously close to 25% average income. That only covers the direct electricity costs, as every other product relies on it there would be massive price spikes across the board.
@Sidian
SebH is not “truth challenged.” He is “truth impaired.” He denies what is obvious to even the most casual observer, and spews warmist propaganda as if he were programmed to do so.
And, yes, even after massive subsidies Germany’s electric prices are very high, despite the lies SebH endorses (and as you are obviously aware).
https://www.statista.com/statistics/263492/electricity-prices-in-selected-countries/
Nice to see some new voices pushing back against his obvious deception.
As to my link being “not very trustworthy,” notice that SebH doesn’t bring any independent and reliable info to support his claim. He wants us to trust his imaginary authority, which regulars here know is nil. Typical Leftist activist.
So, Seb, why did BMW abandon Germany and build its largest automobile plant in South Carolina? It isn’t just to serve the U. S. market; they export worldwide from there.
Sebastian, I am paying $0.09 per kWh flat rate with no tiers here in the USA. Just curious how that compares to your price.
@Sidian:
1) Why should German prices be the norm in your country?
2) Why is it offensive to view the current electricity prices as ridiculously cheap and why do you think it is ok for you to call this “moronic”?
@Yonason:
Another fun reply from you. Let’s dissect it:
You begin with a silly attack not worth quoting, but I find it interesting that you used the term “denying the most obvious”. Next up something I don’t quite understand. Do you mean the prizes are high despite subsidies? If that’s the case, I think you don’t understand what’s included in the electricity prices we pay in Germany. The subsidies are the reason the prices are high, because they are – unlike external costs and subsidies of other fuel sources – included in the price.
What claim do you think that is? The claim that your source is not trustworthy? The claim that climate change is happening?
@Edward Caryl:
BMW did abandon Germany? Why would a car manufacturer not build factories all over the world? Do you think it is more economical to only ship the goods?
@RichardB:
I am paying 0.27 € for every (renewable) kWh I consume. Since we started comparing stuff, what is your monthly electricity bill over in the US? I am paying around 35€ here in Germany.
Quick answer is a lot more than the dollar equivalent to yours. Our home is 3000 square feet stand alone and old construction with single pane windows. So insulation not near as good as modern. It varies a lot from summer to winter. AC on in the summer. But I would say somewhere in the area of $175 to $200 for an annual average. I am going perhaps a little high just to be accurate. Our bill is a combined water sewer and electricity so to be accurate I would have to dig them out. Our sewer bill is higher than our water bill.
P.S.
If it isn’t an exact quote, don’t put it in quotation marks.
What I wrote:
“He denies what is obvious”
What SebH wrote:
“denying the most obvious”
While that’s closer than you usual get, it’s still not the same, and not what I wrote, therefore do not put something in quotes as if I had written it when I did not!
As to the utility of wind power, it is complete folly.
https://videos.files.wordpress.com/vueGF533/bill-gates_dvd.mp4
You shouldn’t be surprised if people think you aren’t too smart, since you chose to appear that way by what you wright.
Yonason,
Thank-you for the link to another honest and reliable site of objective reports.
No doubt cAGW type will squeal at such an opinion but that’s because the truth hurts.
Welcome.
As to SebH’s deflection, …feh!
The troll pest tells us my source isn’t reliable, without bringing any support for his claim. I point that out, and he essentially just repeats his assertion, and says it doesn’t bring a source either. What I quoted was about Germany’s exorbitant pricing for electricity, and the stability of the grid. Something that is well known doesn’t need a source, but for those few who aren’t aware, here are two on the cost, both new to me.
1. – “Portugal energy costs among Europe’s most expensive
in News · 22-05-2014 15:25:00 · 1 Comments
According to new Eurostat figures Portugal is among the top-three EU countries with the most expensive gas and electricity, outdone only by Cyprus and Germany.”
http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/portugal-energy-costs-among-europes-most-expensive/31663
2. – “Electricity costs are on a continuous upward trend in Europe. These average values vary significantly across the European Union, ranging from 9.6 cents|kWh in Bulgaria to 30.5 cents in Denmark and Germany.“
https://1-stromvergleich.com/electricity-prices-europe/
As to the problems caused for the grid, I’ve addressed those in the past, even recently. He could go look those up if he weren’t so lazy.
On the up side, thanks to the nuisance I do add more links to my various files. Sadly for him, none of them ever support the claims of the warmists. Go figure.
I am curious, if something that is well known doesn’t need a source, why do you keep asking me for sources?
And why do you always seem to be personally offended when I reply to your comments and try to justify your strange replies with references to trolling?
Yes, prices in Germany are high. Why? Because they include the subsidies for renewables. Who pays such high prices? Residents only. The industry is on another price tier. As for problems with the grid, yeah … we do have problems. They (blackouts) are being measured in minutes here while in the US they are being measured in hours. Notice a difference? Even France with all their nuclear power has more blackouts than Germany. Either we are pretty good at managing those “problems” or they aren’t as big a deal as you are trying to make them to be.
After seeing the documentary “Behind the curve” lately, I am fully aware now how climate skeptics minds work (hint: very similar to what is depicted in that documentary). No surprise here, you’ll do what you’ll do Yonason. The only way for you to get out of that rabbit hole is to conduct experiments yourself and being surprised by the results. If you then choose to not ignore those results, there is still hope for you 😉
I said it is well known, didn’t need a source, but then gave two anyway for the cost to the consumer, just for completeness sake.
You never give anything but your own personal misinformed opinions.
Besides, it is also well known that CO2 has nothing to do with warming, and NTZ is filled with references supporting that. You claim it’s false, so you have an obligation to provide information of at least as high quality to support your assertion, but you never do.
AS to grid stability, I’ve responded to you on that already.
https://notrickszone.com/contact/comment-page-3/#comment-1280341
“Who pays such high prices? Residents only. The industry is on another price tier.”
We already know you, like all “good” socialists, for all your claims to the contrary, couldn’t care less about the German consumer.
Man-up, SebH, and start trying to give us reliable references for the claims you make. The fact that you don’t just reinforces what we already know, that there aren’t any.
ADDENDA:
“Who pays such high prices? Residents only.” – SebH (the people’s troll)
Doesn’t look like it was doing industry any good in 2015.
https://stopthesethings.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/europe-power-prices-2.png
Got any current info, WITH REFERENCE(S), to show that the situation has improved?
Also, here’s an article on what was referenced about the Aluminum industry in my link you didn’t like.
https://neinuclearnotes.blogspot.com/2014/08/energiewende-damages-german-industry.html
…and all because “The voltage off the electricity grid weakened for just a millisecond.”
Not going to go down that road with you Yonason. What you think is well known really isn’t and vice versa.
And no, I am not giving you my opinions. I write about what is “well known”, except by you guys apparently. Risking to sound repetitive here, but have fun in your imaginary world Yonason. Enjoy it while it lasts …
So, nothing but bluster. But we already knew that. Thanks for sharing, troll.
When simple logic is applied to the story of “missing heat” as described by Trenberth here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=868nr1Pgxw0
there is sufficient proof that climate models are useless and climate modellers are clueless.
If modellers had a clue then there would be no missing heat. How would anyone place any confidence in people who have misplaced half of their heat. We are not talking about a little heat. It is measured in zetajoules. They are so pig headed that they search high and low for all their missing heat rather than accepting their models are wrong.
The error is extrapolating a temperature trend that was correlated to CO2 back in the 1990s on the incorrect assumption that they are related.
Modellers have failed to predict climate trends but can explain every unusual weather event after the fact.
They’ve lost their heat, and don’t know where to find it?
It’s so tragic. Almost as bad as if they had lost their sheep!
Let us observe a moment of contemplation in memory of their loss.
Oh dear. This is serious. Not only can’t they find their heat, but they seem to have also lost their CO2.
“When one does check the empirical evidence for the impact of annual CO2 emissions change on atmospheric CO2 levels an obvious disconnect becomes apparent – there is no significant impact of a specific percent increase in CO2 emissions and a subsequent percent increase in CO2 atmospheric levels (ppm).
In fact, as the above chart reveals, the correlation between the annual % increase of CO2 emissions and annual % rise of CO2 atmospheric levels is a ridiculously low with a r2 of +0.002. That is basically zero over the 53-year time span from 1966 through 2018 (assuming the WaPo 2018 estimate of 2.7% is correct).”
https://www.c3headlines.com/2019/02/the-washington-post-where-climate-fear-lives-long-prospers-those-stubborn-facts.html
Meistro, a little Climate Hero Music, if you please.
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In fact, there has been no systematic change of global temperature, as Murray Salby showed in his recent lecture at Hamburg university. The warmer temperature today followed from random warming during only a few years before El Niño’s. Those episodes of warming are uncorrelated with systematic increasing CO2.
https://edberry.com/blog/climate-physics/agw-hypothesis/what-is-really-behind-the-increase-in-atmospheric-co2/
So by all the observed evidence the fictional cAGW ‘missing heat’ didn’t make it into the oceans.
Not really surprising as the ‘missing heat’ has never existed, it’s just another failed output from the notoriously inaccurate climate models.
And remember, the sun has NOTHING to do with it.
http://joannenova.com.au/2019/02/nasa-hides-page-saying-the-sun-was-the-primary-climate-driver-and-clouds-and-particles-are-more-important-than-greenhouse-gases/
You are not authorized to think anything else.
Well done Yonason