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29 responses to “Bandarq online mampu dimainkan disaat santai”

  1. SebastianH

    This Song paper hasn’t aged well …

    Someone is completely forgetting ocean temperatures when continuously writing about a slowed down warming. I am also a bit confused why Kenneth is still behind a paper like this when it so clearly supports what science says the GHE is.

    Anyway, there was no pause/hiatus. You can find the relevant studies and articles about why that is online. You don’t have to trust me on this (you wouldn’t anyway).

    The last picture in this article is a joke, right? Scientist arguing that humans have little impact on warming because they would only increase the global atmospheric temperature by 0.01°K if all consumed energy were to be used to heat said atmosphere? This is almost Gerlich/Tscheuschner level of science. Remember when those two scientists wrote that peer-reviewed paper about why there is no GHE? Fun times when you brought that up all the time 😉

    1. SebastianH

      I forgot … so the claim is that the GHE weakend because cloud cover decreased (since the cloud cover is part of the GHE … water molecules in the air and so on). The author also says that there was a slow down in warming.

      How does that fit with your (@Kenneth) usual assertion that the warming comes from increased solar radiation on the surface due to cloud cover decrease? On the one hand it’s calling a slow down and on the other hand it’s causing the warming?

      Maybe you can enlighten us how that would work.

    2. Robert Kernodle

      I am guessing that you have never read Gerlich/Tscheuschner’s detailed reply to their critics. You just went with the flow of people trying to explain to professional mathematical physicists that they did not understand the basics of their own specific field.

      A blind man’s trust in other blind men is no trust at all.

  2. tom0mason

    “Overall, the downward tendency of clouds is the dominant contributor to the greenhouse effect hiatus.” (Song et al., 2016)

    Indeed as shown here https://isccp.giss.nasa.gov/analysis/climanal1.html (click on the first image ‘CLOUD AMOUNT’ on the left-hand side).
    The enlarged image of ‘CLOUD AMOUNT’ does indeed show that from about 1988 to 2000 the cloud amount fell, from 2000 onward the cloud cover has gradually rose up until about 2002. From 2002 onward it’s just stalled at the about the same level just below the zero line of ‘Anomalies and Deviations’.

    I note that this correlates with Hoyt & Schatten, 1993 (updated by Scafetta & Willson, 2014) graph shown at https://notrickszone.com/2019/03/25/satellite-evidence-affirms-solar-activity-drove-a-significant-percentage-of-recent-warming/ .
    Now why would increased solar activity (up to about 2001) cause the clouds to reduce globally?

  3. pochas94

    The assertion that clouds have a small warming effect reinforces my suspicion. So they prevent some of the cooling that might transpire with lower solar activity. The “Greenhouse Effect” is neither here or there as far as anybody knows for sure.

  4. toorightmate

    These guys are right on the ball.
    There were no cluds prior to 1992 and there has been nothing but clear skies since 2014.

  5. Douglas Cotton 

    I’m here to discuss my new discovery of the non-radiative heat transfer process explained from the laws of physics for the first time anywhere in world literature in my paper “Planetary Core and Surface Temperatures” published in 2013 and then summarised in my book in 2014: http://whyitsnotco2.com.

  6. sasquatch

    Facts? What facts? Why bother to even read the post?

    Gotta do that, you’ll be in the dark if you don’t.

    Question: How did water get here on earth?

    Hydrogen and oxygen, not too difficult to see two elements there, what the two become, water, is something that never could be imagined by some tiny, puny human brain bouncing around inside a cranium that is usually solid bone to the core. lol

    Nevertheless, water it is. One thing about water: There is a lot of it.

    When the sun’s rays reach the earth, the earth’s oceans are going to warm, there is just too much water at the surface covering too much surface area, when it all warms from the heat produced at the sun, the source of the heat, changes occur. You’re going to have evaporation, then condensation, then the atmosphere has these two elements, nitrogen and oxygen, trapped gases from gravity alone, which then can turn everything crazy, like the earth takes crazy pills, clouds then form. It is amazing stuff, call it the greenhouse effect. The air is going to warm, the sun will do it, guaranteed. Just too much water, makes it all happen like no other phenomena can.

    The earth is at water overshoot, happened a long time ago. lol

    If the earth did not have a molten core, it would a frozen globe from the Tropic of Capricorn to the South Pole and from the Tropic of Cancer to the North Pole. Maybe not that, but something like that.

    One trip to Jellystone Park will provide ample evidence that the earth has hotspots.

    There was plenty of CO2 in the air back in 1986 at Lake Nyos in Africa.

    The source of the CO2 was not anthropogenically sourced, however.

    The heat from the sun reaching the earth’s surface with all of that water from pole to pole makes a world of difference.

    If it were all ice, you’ll have places like Lake Missoula all over again.

    4.5 billion years of heat from the earth’s molten core is going to speak volumes for where some of the heat content, the budget, belongs.

  7. tom0mason

    For those interested in Climate (or ‘Climate Change™) here a link to an old book on the latest research in 1905 of climate. Called Climatic Changes: Their Nature and Causes by Huntington and Visher it is freely available at http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/37855 . And yes CO2, terrestrial variations, solar variations, and stellar effects are discussed. Remarkably modern considering its age.

  8. Cees

    Kenneth you are absolutely right about Se BasH. He doesn’t read the article.
    A few post back he start to lecture me, that zero % greenhouse gases is impossible. But the article says 1.Thou shall roll back greenhouse gases to zero by 2050! Proof for me he doesn’t read. Why, if he is so sure, that global warming is real, climate change is real, greenhouse gases are real and man is causing all of this, is he not reading the articles here but does he has to bash everybody and everything that is written here. I think he better can be ignored and let him believe what ever he wants to believe. Unless of course you like to ‘discuss’ with him to entertain everybody.

  9. Cees

    Hey Se BasH, here is one for you. Found online, so you will believe it.
    See what nearly 1 degree Celsius can do! You will love it!
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/climate-change-impacts-accelerating-wmo-report-190329084310932.html

  10. Petit_Barde

    Little off topic but here is some thoughts about “greenhouse” gases radiative effect on the atmosphere’s (and surface) temperatures :

    Look at the [Kiehl & Trenberth 1997] Earth energy budget diagram (the [NASA 2009] diagram gives roughly the same data) :
    – it shows that in the infrared spectrum, the net radiative flux between the surface and the atmosphere is 26W/m² and is upward. So we can assume that greenhouse gases absorb at most 26W/m² from the upward radiative flux emitted by the surface (this value is consistent with [Kondratyev 1969] p. 747).

    On the other hand, according to this diagram, the atmosphere radiates 165W/m² into space in the infrared spectrum.

    Questions :
    1) Does the atmosphere behave as a black (or gray) body or do we have to take into acount each absorption / emission band of each atmospheric component in order to correctly take into acount its infrared radiative properties (see [Modest 2003], [Kondratyev 1969]) ?

    2) What atmospheric components other than “greenhouse” gases are able to emit 165W/m² into space in the infrared spectrum ?

    3) What is the net radiative effect of “greenhouse” gases on the atmosphere’s temperatures ?

    4) What is the net effect of “greenhouse” gases combined with convection on the Earth’s surface temperatures ?

    Enjoy !
    🙂

    References :
    – [Kiehl & Trenberth 1997]:
    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/abstracts/files/kevin1997_1.html

    – [NASA 2009]:
    https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/ContentFeature/EnergyBalance/images/atmosphere_energy_balance.jpg
    https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/ContentFeature/EnergyBalance/images/global_energy_budget_components.png

    – [Modest 2003]: M. Modest 2003, Radiative Heat Transfer (chapter 10 : Radiative properties of Molecular Gases).

    – [Kondratyev 1969]: K. YA. Kondratyev 1969, Radiation in the atmosphere.

    1. tom0mason

      Why bother arguing over the red herring of the Kiehl & Trenberth 1997 cartoon? It’s nonsense! Just a distraction from the topic.

      Enjoy yourself 🙂

      1. Yonason

        I haven’t worked through all of this yet, but what I have makes sense.
        https://objectivistindividualist.blogspot.com/2018/06/a-summary-of-some-of-physics-errors-of.html

        There are lots of errors in the warmist approach to the energy budget.

        Maybe the little professor will enjoy that. 😉

      2. Yonason
      3. tom0mason

        Cutting to the essence …

        But less disregard those important items and just look at what Kiehl & Trenberth 1997 cartoon says…
        We have on the left-hand side solar energy incoming from the Sun causing 342W/m² of thermal flux.
        Well sure, the Sun is a source of energy, and is represented in the diagram as an incoming thermal flux. This sun powered by a large nuclear reactions which lots of liberate energy.

        And then we have on the right-hand side energy incoming from “greenhouse gas backradiation”.
        There’s 168 + 67 = 235W/m² absorbed thermal flux coming from the Sun…, and then there’s 324W/m² coming from the atmosphere, 38% more thermal flux than from the Sun. It just magically appears over there, on the right-hand side of their diagram. Can that ever be correct?

        Where does the backradiation find the energy to make more thermal flux than came from the Sun?
        It comes from the warmed surface. Warmed by 168W/m² from the sun but somehow now can radiates 350W/m²!
        Where does the additional energy to causes more thermal flux that warms the surface come from?
        It comes from backradiation!
        Where does the backradiation get its energy from?
        It comes from the warm surface. … etc., etc.

        However in the Kiehl & Trenberth 1997 cartoon does not show temperature, or energy, but heat flux, a quantity that has direction and a magnitude, and so it is a vector quantity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_flux). When adding vector quantities both direction and a magnitude must be properly evaluated, straight addition is not possible (back to the classroom with https://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/vectors/Lesson-1/Vector-Addition ).

    2. tom0mason

      It’s well known these models are poor at showing clouds and precipitation, a couple more items these models fail at —

      Not good at modeling pressure changes —
      https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/10/181016132032.htm
      The findings raise serious questions about the accuracy of regional climate projections in the UK and neighbouring parts of Europe because meteorological conditions in those regions are closely linked to air-pressure changes over Greenland.

      https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-41334-7
      Uncertainty in hydrological analysis of climate change: multi-parameter vs. multi-GCM ensemble predictions …

      When model predictions are found to be inaccurate, … large while uncertainty in their temperature projections was small, and vice versa. … based on scenarios from regional climate models.

      These models aren’t accurate enough to be the basis of changing the fundamental economics of the world.

  11. Steve

    I do not care if the planet warms up or gets cold.
    Man adapts

    1. rah

      I’ll take warm please. Spent enough time in the cold.

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  15. tom0mason

    Of course the model can’t see a hiatus because they’re tune to force too much warming with rising CO2. This is known as this shows —
    https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2018EA000401

    Temperatures in the tropical 200‐ to 300‐hPa layer meet all four conditions. We present a trend model robust to general forms of autocorrelation and the possible existence of a step change associated with the 1979 PCS. Comparing observed trends to those predicted by models over the past 60 years reveals a clear and significant tendency on the part of models to overstate warming. All 102 CMIP5 model runs warm faster than observations, in most individual cases the discrepancy is significant, and on average the discrepancy is significant. The test of trend equivalence rejects whether or not we include a break at 1979 for the PCS, though the rejections are stronger when we control for its influence. Measures of series divergence are centered at a positive mean and the entire distribution is above zero. While the observed analogue exhibits a warming trend over the test interval it is significantly smaller than that shown in models, and the difference is large enough to reject the null hypothesis that models represent it correctly, within the bounds of random uncertainty.

    [my bold]

    1. Yonason

      @tomO

      👍👍👍👍👍

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