Leading German Meteorology Expert Calls Fighting Climate Change “A Senseless Physical Endeavour”

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Dr Wolfgand Thüne (DerWetterman.de)

At his Der Wettermann website retired German meteorologist Dr. Wolfgang Thüne is calling for an immediate stop of all state-funded climate research.

h/t DirkH

Dr Thüne, who is sort of Germany’s version of John Coleman, has been one of Germany’s most outspoken critics of climate science and the huge waste of taxpayer money all the research involves.

Dr. Thüne:

For decades billions of US dollars of taxpayer money have been pumped into climate research without getting any detectable progress. Climate experts still have not even succeeded in delivering the physical proof of the claimed “greenhouse effect”.

The meteorological fact is that at no point on earth and at no time of the year do either the daily or yearly air temperature and CO2 concentrations causally correlate. There is no correlation! Also a radical reduction of ‘greenhouse gases’ in Europe, or “achieving a ‘CO2-free Europe’, would have absolutely no impact on the weather over the course of the annual seasons.”

Thüne then blasts EU Climate Commissar Connie Hedegaard’s “Energy-Climate-Package” which calls for spending €270 BILLION every year over the next 40 years in order to reduce CO2 emissions by 80%, calling it a “senseless physical endeavour”. He adds:

No state, already under a mountain of debt, can morally justify the burning of  billions, and yes trillions, on the ‘protection of the global climate’ without leaving proof of having any effect whatsoever.

The correlation between the CO2-value in Hawaii and the annually calculated ‘global temperature’ is a fictitious correlation that imposters as causal effect, but is in reality only a make believe correlation.”

Thüne then reminds us that the earth’s climate has been proven to correlate with the angle of the sun’s rays striking the earth’s surface and that ‘it is as old as the planet itself’, has nothing to do with industrialisation and that the calculated temperature increase of 0.7°C  that has taken place since 1860 is a normal earthly process.

Thüne clearly labels the state’s attempt to regulate global temperature, while at the same time delivering social justice, a folly. He adds: “weather cannot be disciplined, and weather alone determines what climate a location or a state has”. Thüne ends by reminding us:

Humankind would be helped in practical ways if 20% of research resources were instead devoted to better weather forecasting and the remaining 80% devoted to combating hunger and poverty.”

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41 responses to “Leading German Meteorology Expert Calls Fighting Climate Change “A Senseless Physical Endeavour””

  1. facepalm

    Maybe Mr. Thüne is a leading german pseudo-sceptic, but in no way he is a leading meteorologist!
    Google scholar give just zero publications in a scientific journal, though he has some publications of pseudo-sceptic myths, like CO2 as plant food, and has written some books with – guess what – sceptical theses.

    1. DirkH

      facepalm, think about it. Infrared absorption and re-emission is a very quick process. And a rising CO2 level is supposed to change this process in a way that is significant enough to heat up the entire planet. That’s the AGW conjecture as i understand it. Should such a change not be measurable immediately; in other words, should the cooling down of a desert in the evening not behave measurably different now than it did 50 years ago? I think it doesn’t because the increased CO2 only leads to a few more absorptions and re-emissions of the IR on its way to space; but the process is so fast that this only delays the radiative part of the heat exchange by some milliseconds.

      This is not any more pseudo scientific than the entire work of, say, James Hansen; if you disagree, please provide proof of the claimed water vapor feedback the AGW conjecture posits.

    2. Jimbo

      “…pseudo-sceptic myths, like CO2 as plant food,…”

      Here is an experiment for you. Try growing wheat or corn with NO co2 and get back to me with the results.

    3. Bob Armstrong

      From what I see , you can get a PhD in “climate science” without ever even learning how to calculate the temperature of a radiantly heated colored ball .

      And “… pseudo-sceptic myths, like CO2 as plant food ” has to be the single most ignorant comment I have seen in all the years of this GlobalStatistStupidity . I’ll agree that CO2 is not “plant food” if you’ll agree that O2 is not “animal food” .

    4. GoFigure

      If you’re interested in some background and facts, start out with my google-doc and, then do a bit of independent research (it won’t take long) to anything you find doubtful…

      http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddrj9jjs_0fsv8n9gw

    5. Son of facepalm

      facepalm, your views are moronic. plain and simple.
      =====================
      Some editing undertaken (though your original version is probably accurate) -PG

    6. dr.polly

      you paycheck enslaved twats!
      every 12 year old now knows about the ‘global warming tax scam’,
      and how ‘the experts’ on corporate media make sure you will pay that tax on breathing….now get of these blogs and get a creative life.

  2. mindert eiting

    Pierre, there may be a problem with the Reply-button. I got the message that I should enter my name, etc., which I just had done.

    1. DirkH

      Maybe you have disabled cookies? Just an idea.

  3. mindert eiting

    I meant the reply-button to someone else’s text. In the mean time I have found a text about a discovery by Nahle, that CO2 is a cooling gas. This may make it almost certain that we will win the charity bet.

    http://www.suite101.com/content/greenhouse-gas-theory-discredited-by-coolant-carbon-dioxide-a365870

    1. Ed Caryl

      Nahle’s original paper is here:
      http://www.biocab.org/Mean_Free_Path.pdf
      The knowledge has been around since 1954.

  4. John Blake

    All these distinguished elderly gentlemen are of course quite right. But where are their students, and their students’ students, younger cohorts aged 28 – 50+? Quite obviously, any and all ongoing research is being held hostage to a Green Gang of climate hysterics who will stop at nothing to advance their extreme- radical, viciously misanthropic Luddite program.

    When AGW Cultists eventually fade to history, sentient observers will not only see them as latter-day Anabaptists of Munster [see Will James] but as literal saboteurs of the very discipline they exalt to high heaven at society’s expense.

    1. mindert eiting

      Those Anabaptists were the most severely prosecuted people during the Reformation in the sixteenth century. Many of them were burned at the stake. So their desperation is understandable. How should we explain to our grandchildren that notoriously rich and priviledged people like Al Gore and Suzuki spread the most ridiculous and expensive hoax of all times, that mankind destroyed the planet by using some fossil fuels?

  5. DirkH

    Google news Germany with search term “Klimapakt”.
    You find all sorts of, well, activities, for instance here one from Münster that involves the local church.

    http://www.presse-service.de/data.cfm/static/792051.html

    So the church has to become part of the new ersatz religion as well.

    Making a cross check with “Umweltpakt” (a term that one could assume to have a meaning) i find only hits in Austria and Switzerland; the term is unknown in Germany. (but self-explanatory)

    So the Germans are not that interested in Umwelt (environment) anymore; for us it’s gotta be the Klima (climate)… Umweltschutz mutates into Klimaschutz in Germany and monopolizes the activities. Quite bizarre.

  6. R. de Haan

    It is a political doctrine.
    Where are the firing squads?

  7. Laurean

    The dogma of man-caused global warming, or even the concept of global warming is a total fraud…
    It is an attempt to impose on the western countries the socialist-marxist idea of wealth redistribution.
    In April 1975, Time magazine had on its cover the title “The Big Freeze”…so called scientists of the time, were saying that the planet is cooling to the point that all living creatures will die…due to the greenhouse gases we humans are generating.
    They even came up with a solution: collect all the residual ashes from coal burning power plants and spread it all over the North Pole, to capture heat from the sun…only mentally insane people could have come up with such monstruous ideas, yet at the time it was considered a viable solution.
    After years of unfulfilled prophecies,l they changed their theory to Global Warming….
    Now that they see the planet is not getting any warmer, they have changed the tune yet again…now is Climate Change.
    Only idiots could believe this stuff.
    Meantime Al Gore has become the first carbon billionaire and he has built a $ 10 million ocean front mansion…

  8. Facts only

    If intrested in the facts on the effect, or rather non effect, of co2, don’t miss http://www.globaltempfacts.com.

  9. kwik

    It seems one has to be retired in order to speak out.
    I guess you loose your job otherwise.

    Just like George Orwell, 1984.

    Who’d believed it was AGW that would be forbidden to discuss.

    Not communism, but AGW? Its all messed up.

  10. Lauren

    Terrorists are being brought to justice in criminal courts these days…
    Al Gore and the global warming alarmists such as left wing politicians, pseudo scientists, journalists, the Hollywood idiots, have been inflicting psychological terrorism upon a whole generation of children all over the world for the last 20 years.
    These charlatans should be brought to justice as the perpetrators of the biggest scam in the history of this planet.
    The social,financial and psychological damages that they caused are beyond comprehension.
    No criminal organization in history has ever come even close to having such a dezastruous impact on so many people, for such a long time, and make so much money in the process.
    They should not be permitted to get away with it.
    Hundred of billions have been wasted on a fraud, social and economical policies have been altered based on a fraud….the moral authors of this fraud should be in jail for the rest of their lives and their fortune seized.

  11. Lauren

    Open letter to Al Gore

    Anthropogenic global warming is a total fraud, an international effort of power and money grabbing based on the marxist concept of “wealth redistribution”.
    On April 28 1975 Time magazine had on its front cover the title THE BIG FREEZE!!, with an article, signed by climate scientists, concluding that the Earth is cooling to the point it will all be covered in ice and all living creatures will die of freezing.
    The “scientists” even came up with a solution: collect all the ashes and residues generated by coal-burning power plants and spreat it over the North Pole, to capture the heat generated by the sun….
    This could only have come from sick, perverted minds, but at the time it was viewed as a real option.
    After a few years, when it obviously turned out that such a theory was nonsense, the so called climate scientists, in their quest for government grants, have invented a new fantasy, that of global warming……the world is warming due to us, human beings and we are all going to die unless we give up all of our liberties to one big world government which is going to regulate every single aspect of our lives, how many times to flush our toilets, what kind of cars to drive, where, for what reason and how far, how many children to have , what kind of food to eat, etc.
    In 1992 Al Gore said that “the time for a debate is over, the science is settled”…..
    This obviously is a lie for the time for a debate is never over and the science is far from being settled.
    Science does not work as a democracy , meaning that in science, the majority does not rule as it does in a democracy.
    If 1000 scientists have a debate and 999 of them agree on the subject, but only one of them disagree, it may very well turn out , as it has so many times in history, that the lone scientist is the only one that is right.
    After 20 years of advancing a false theory based on fraudulent data, the “scientists” noticed that the planet is not warming, so they changed the name of their theory yet again from global warming to “Climate Change”, just in case, to have all possibilities covered.
    Soon the whole thing will be unequivocally exposed for a premeditated fraud.
    People who perpetrated this scam, will then be held responsible for the enormous psychological, social and financial damage that their actions have caused.
    Just like when a doctor who gives out the wrong diagnosis and causes harm to the patient as a result, just like in such a case the doctor has the license suspended and has to pay damages or even go to prison, people like you will soon face the consequences of the lies you have imposed on the world for so many years.
    There must be parents out there whose children have suffered mental trauma because of this great scam.
    All these parents should get together and get a pit bull of a lawyer to file a class action law suit in a civil court and take the global warming crooks to the cleaners.

    1. Bill Taylor

      Lauren, would you please e-mail to me a copy of this letter to Al Gore so that I can send it to my e-mail list?

      Thanks.

      Bill Taylor

      1. Lauren

        Bill,
        You can copy my post and then paste is to the e-mails you wish to send to your contacts.

  12. ThomasJ

    I remember Dr Thüne from the times/years I lived in Hamburg, not having anything prof w him to do, but still impressed over his highly professionalism in all his doings/presentations etc.

    Gruess Gott aus Schweden
    //TJ

  13. Kate
  14. ThomasJ

    FYI:
    “facepalm” is a [new?] nick of Thomas Palm who’s main object it is to by all means defend all sorts of CAGW-stupidies/idiodics there are.
    The person is a pure p.i.t.a. vs. all [basic] knowlwdges there are.
    Brgds from Sweden
    //TJ

  15. cleanwater

    Dr. Wolfgang Thüne is very correct about the fairy-tale called the “greenhouse gas effect” There is no creditable scientific experimental data that proves that the “greenhouse gas effect ” exists. Below are just a few references that can lead any intelligent reader to the physics that confirms this statement.
    While there are a few climatilogists that realize that Mann-made global warming is a political hoax- a way to steal money from the peasants. Most climatologists are temperature historians . Any that project into the future are “flat screen fortune tellers” not scientists. One of the best that is telling the facts is Tim Ball in the consortium of scientists “Slaying the Sky Dragoon “, Bob Carter is another.
    List of references:
    The paper “Falsification of the Atmospheric CO2 greenhouse effect within the frame of physics” by Gerhard Gerlich and Ralf D. Tscheuschner is an in-depth examination of the subject. Version 4 2009
    Electronic version of an article published as International Journal of Modern Physics
    B, Vol. 23, No. 3 (2009) 275{364 , DOI No: 10.1142/S021797920904984X, c World
    Scientific Publishing Company, http://www.worldscinet.com/ijmpb.
    Report of Alan Carlin of US-EPA March, 2009 that shows that CO2 does not cause global warming.

    Greenhouse Gas Hypothesis Violates Fundamentals of Physics” by Dipl-Ing Heinz Thieme This work has about 10 or 12 link
    that support the truth that the greenhouse gas effect is a hoax.
    R.W.Wood
    from the London, Edinborough and Dublin Philosophical Magazine , 1909, vol 17, p319-320. Cambridge UL shelf mark p340.1.c.95, i
    The Hidden Flaw in Greenhouse Theory
    By Alan Siddons
    from:http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/the_hidden_flaw_in_greenhouse.html at March 01, 2010 – 09:10:34 AM CST

    The below information was a foot note in the IPCC 4 edition. It is obvious that there was no evidence to prove that the ghg effect exists.

    “In the 1860s, physicist John Tyndall recognized the Earth’s natural greenhouse effect and suggested that slight changes in the atmospheric composition could bring about climatic variations. In 1896, a seminal paper by Swedish scientist Svante Arrhenius first speculated that changes in the levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere could substantially alter the surface temperature through the greenhouse effect.”

    After 1909 when R.W.Wood proved that the understanding of the greenhouse effect was in error and the ghg effect does not exist. After Niels Bohr published his work and receive a Nobel Prize in Physics in 1922. The fantasy of the greenhouse gas effect should have died in 1909 and 1922. Since then it has been shown by several physicists that the concept is a Violation of the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

    Obviously the politicians don’t give a dam that they are lying. It fits in with what they do every hour of every day .Especially the current pretend president.
    Paraphrasing Albert Einstein after the Publishing of “The Theory of Relativity” –one fact out does 1 million “scientist, 10 billion politicians and 20 billion environmental whachos-that don’t know what” The Second Law of thermodynamics” is.

    University of Pennsylvania Law School
    ILE
    INSTITUTE FOR LAW AND ECONOMICS
    A Joint Research Center of the Law School, the Wharton School,
    and the Department of Economics in the School of Arts and Sciences
    at the University of Pennsylvania
    RESEARCH PAPER NO. 10-08
    Global Warming Advocacy Science: a Cross Examination
    Jason Scott Johnston
    UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA
    May 2010
    This paper can be downloaded without charge from the
    Social Science Research Network Electronic Paper Collection:
    http://ssrn.
    Israeli Astrophysicist Nir Shaviv: ‘There is no direct evidence showing that CO2 caused 20th century warming, or as a matter of fact, any warming’ link to this paper on climate depot.
    Slaying the Sky Dragon – Death of the Greenhouse Gas Theory [Kindle Edition]
    Tim Ball (Author), Claes Johnson (Author), Martin Hertzberg (Author), Joseph A. Olson (Author), Alan Siddons (Author), Charles Anderson (Author), Hans Schreuder (Author), John O’Sullivan (Author)

    Web- site references:
    http://www.americanthinker.com Ponder the Maunder
    wwwclimatedepot.com
    icecap.us
    http://www.stratus-sphere.com
    SPPI
    The Great Climate Clash -archives December, 2010 , G3 The greenhouse gas effect does not exist.( not yet peer reviewed).
    many others are available.
    The bottom line is that the facts show that the greenhouse gas effect is a fairy-tale and that Man-made global warming is the World larges Scam!!!The IPCC and Al Gore should be charged under the US Anti-racketeering act and when convicted – they should spend the rest of their lives in jail for the Crimes they have committed against Humanity.
    The only thing more dangerous than ignorance is arrogance.”
    —Albert Einstein
    “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb.” Benjamin Franklin

    1. Sigh

      So, what prey tell, keeps the IR radiation emitted from the Earth warmed by the sun’s UV radiation from continuing endlessly in space until it encounters another “object”???

      1. DirkH

        You probably think your question makes sense, but i fail to see it. Nobody disputes IR photons going form here to there; it’s just that they don’t warm the atmosphere significantly, see Kirchhoff’s law. See also here:
        http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/05/co2-heats-the-atmosphere-a-counter-view/

  16. Dixon Miller

    Mr. Thune is as qualified as Al Gore.

    1. DirkH

      I didn’t know Gore has a degree in Meteorology. Wasn’t it political sciences? So, no, Gore is not as qualified as Dr. Thüne when talking about the climate.

  17. John Marshall

    What a sensible post. And the theory od GHG’s violates the laws of thermodynamics. What more is needed to stop spending monies needed for other things.

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    Excellent work and thank you German meteorologist for standing up and telling the truth!

  21. mark m

    He is 100% right, it’s a global scam. It was proven that co2 rises after earth heating not before. Like duh!

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