Update: Now at Fox News!
Eventually the sham is going to give, and the latest letter signed by 50 NASA experts, with more than 1000 years of combined professional experience, is a sure sign the gig’s about over.
…..unproven remarks…..not substantiated…..hundreds of well-known climate scientists…..tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief…..science is NOT settled…..unbecoming of NASA’s history…..advocacy of an extreme position…..damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA…..even the reputation of science itself…”
Letters to the top don’t get any more blunt than that.
And how many tens of billions have these crackpots at GISS cost the taxpayers?
Here’s the letter:
March 28, 2012
The Honorable Charles Bolden, Jr.
Washington, D.C. 20546-0001
We, the undersigned, respectfully request that NASA and the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) refrain from including unproven remarks in public releases and websites. We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated, especially when considering thousands of years of empirical data. With hundreds of well-known climate scientists and tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief in the catastrophic forecasts, coming particularly from the GISS leadership, it is clear that the science is NOT settled.
The unbridled advocacy of CO2 being the major cause of climate change is unbecoming of NASA’s history of making an objective assessment of all available scientific data prior to making decisions or public statements.
As former NASA employees, we feel that NASA’s advocacy of an extreme position, prior to a thorough study of the possible overwhelming impact of natural climate drivers is inappropriate. We request that NASA refrain from including unproven and unsupported remarks in its future releases and websites on this subject. At risk is damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA, NASA’s current or former scientists and employees, and even the reputation of science itself.
For additional information regarding the science behind our concern, we recommend that you contact Harrison Schmitt or Walter Cunningham, or others they can recommend to you.
Thank you for considering this request.
CC: Mr. John Grunsfeld, Associate Administrator for Science
CC: Ass Mr. Chris Scolese, Director, Goddard Space Flight Center
Ref: Letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, dated 3-26-12, regarding a request for NASA to refrain from making unsubstantiated claims that human produced CO2 is having a catastrophic impact on climate change.
1. /s/ Jack Barneburg, Jack – JSC, Space Shuttle Structures, Engineering Directorate, 34 years
2. /s/ Larry Bell – JSC, Mgr. Crew Systems Div., Engineering Directorate, 32 years
3. /s/ Dr. Donald Bogard – JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 41 years
4. /s/ Jerry C. Bostick – JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 23 years
5. /s/ Dr. Phillip K. Chapman – JSC, Scientist – astronaut, 5 years
6. /s/ Michael F. Collins, JSC, Chief, Flight Design and Dynamics Division, MOD, 41 years
7. /s/ Dr. Kenneth Cox – JSC, Chief Flight Dynamics Div., Engr. Directorate, 40 years
8. /s/ Walter Cunningham – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 7, 8 years
9. /s/ Dr. Donald M. Curry – JSC, Mgr. Shuttle Leading Edge, Thermal Protection Sys., Engr. Dir., 44 years
10. /s/ Leroy Day – Hdq. Deputy Director, Space Shuttle Program, 19 years
11. /s/ Dr. Henry P. Decell, Jr. – JSC, Chief, Theory & Analysis Office, 5 years
12. /s/Charles F. Deiterich – JSC, Mgr., Flight Operations Integration, MOD, 30 years
13. /s/ Dr. Harold Doiron – JSC, Chairman, Shuttle Pogo Prevention Panel, 16 years
14. /s/ Charles Duke – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 16, 10 years
15. /s/ Anita Gale
16. /s/ Grace Germany – JSC, Program Analyst, 35 years
17. /s/ Ed Gibson – JSC, Astronaut Skylab 4, 14 years
18. /s/ Richard Gordon – JSC, Astronaut, Gemini Xi, Apollo 12, 9 years
19. /s/ Gerald C. Griffin – JSC, Apollo Flight Director, and Director of Johnson Space Center, 22 years
20. /s/ Thomas M. Grubbs – JSC, Chief, Aircraft Maintenance and Engineering Branch, 31 years
21. /s/ Thomas J. Harmon
22. /s/ David W. Heath – JSC, Reentry Specialist, MOD, 30 years
23. /s/ Miguel A. Hernandez, Jr. – JSC, Flight crew training and operations, 3 years
24. /s/ James R. Roundtree – JSC Branch Chief, 26 years
25. /s/ Enoch Jones – JSC, Mgr. SE&I, Shuttle Program Office, 26 years
26. /s/ Dr. Joseph Kerwin – JSC, Astronaut, Skylab 2, Director of Space and Life Sciences, 22 years
27. /s/ Jack Knight – JSC, Chief, Advanced Operations and Development Division, MOD, 40 years
28. /s/ Dr. Christopher C. Kraft – JSC, Apollo Flight Director and Director of Johnson Space Center, 24 years
29. /s/ Paul C. Kramer – JSC, Ass.t for Planning Aeroscience and Flight Mechanics Div., Egr. Dir., 34 years
30. /s/ Alex (Skip) Larsen
31. /s/ Dr. Lubert Leger – JSC, Ass’t. Chief Materials Division, Engr. Directorate, 30 years
32. /s/ Dr. Humbolt C. Mandell – JSC, Mgr. Shuttle Program Control and Advance Programs, 40 years
33. /s/ Donald K. McCutchen – JSC, Project Engineer – Space Shuttle and ISS Program Offices, 33 years
34. /s/ Thomas L. (Tom) Moser – Hdq. Dep. Assoc. Admin. & Director, Space Station Program, 28 years
35. /s/ Dr. George Mueller – Hdq., Assoc. Adm., Office of Space Flight, 6 years
36. /s/ Tom Ohesorge
37. /s/ James Peacock – JSC, Apollo and Shuttle Program Office, 21 years
38. /s/ Richard McFarland – JSC, Mgr. Motion Simulators, 28 years
39. /s/ Joseph E. Rogers – JSC, Chief, Structures and Dynamics Branch, Engr. Directorate, 40 years
40. /s/ Bernard J. Rosenbaum – JSC, Chief Engineer, Propulsion and Power Division, Engr. Dir., 48 years
41. /s/ Dr. Harrison (Jack) Schmitt – JSC, Astronaut Apollo 17, 10 years
42. /s/ Gerard C. Shows – JSC, Asst. Manager, Quality Assurance, 30 years
43. /s/ Kenneth Suit – JSC, Ass’t Mgr., Systems Integration, Space Shuttle, 37 years
44. /s/ Robert F. Thompson – JSC, Program Manager, Space Shuttle, 44 years
45. /s/ Frank Van Renesselaer – Hdq., Mgr. Shuttle Solid Rocket Boosters, 15 years
46. /s/ Dr. James Visentine – JSC Materials Branch, Engineering Directorate, 30 years
47. /s/ Manfred (Dutch) von Ehrenfried – JSC, Flight Controller; Mercury, Gemini & Apollo, MOD, 10 years
48. /s/ George Weisskopf – JSC, Avionics Systems Division, Engineering Dir., 40 years
49. /s/ Al Worden – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 15, 9 years
50. /s/ Thomas (Tom) Wysmuller – JSC, Meteorologist, 5 years
95 responses to “50 Top Astronauts, Scientists, Engineers Sign Letter Claiming Extremist GISS Is Turning NASA Into A Laughing Stock!”
That’s going to make a bruise!
I’ll say! 10 of them have 40+ years experience. Note that now they are close to retirement, they are speaking out.
And hats off to the young ones – who are really sticking their necks out!
Sure – but it’s not going to make the news.
That’s the problem.
That is great news!
Before the Climategate scandal broke, at a public meeting to celebrate Fifty (50) Years of Space Exploration at the National Academy of Sciences Building in Washington, DC, I asked this question of Dr. Ralph Cicerone, President of the National Academy of Sciences, and members of the Space Science Board on 26 June 2008:
– – – –
Why did UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) – and US federal research agencies like NASA, DOE, NOAA, NSF, etc. – work together to promote this web of mis-information:
1. CO2 from the tail pipes of Western economic engines caused global warming.
2. Earth’s climate is immune from the cyclic changes in sunspots and solar activity.
3. Hydrogen fusion in the Sun bathes planet Earth in a steady and unchanging flow of heat.
4. Solar neutrinos from Hydrogen-fusion in the Sun oscillate away before reaching our detectors.
I do not understand the motives for these actions, but therein is the key to the debate over anthropologic global warming and the havoc it has wrecked on our economy.
– – – –
The rest of the story is here: http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/
With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA Principal
Investigator for Apollo
There is no “Climategate scandal”, and points 2 through 4 on your list are not things that anyone has ever actually claimed. The cyclic changes in solar activity over the last several decades have been a REDUCTION of solar output. And yet, despite lower solar output, we’ve been experiencing warming. That proves the cause of the warming has to be on Earth, not from the sun.
Could you give a link to the data that shows the reduction of solar output over the last few decades?
Why a bunch of engineers, scientists, and astronauts? Not one climatolist, meteorologist, or atmospheric scientist is on the list.
Actually, the last name is a meteorologist. perhaps it’s the other meteorologists at NASA who are perpetuating the myth? (OR REMAINING SILENT OUT OF FEAR FOR THEIR CAREERS?)
Their seniority makes pretty much no difference. Only their qualifications matter.
I’m sure these are educated people, great in their fields, but I’m as skeptical of their take on this as I would be a climatologist’s opinion on how to calculate an orbital trajectory.
How about a Climatologist that can’t calculalate a trend line in Excel?
Senior, relevant People speaking out. The avalanche is beginning!
I wonder if media creeps like Romm etc are going to try to smear them …the very people that made space program something the whole world can be proud of.
One should remember that NASA’s main goal, by now, is no longer to boldly go where no man, sorry: no human being, has gone before (or to avoid splitting infinitives), to seek out new worlds etc., to add to the sum of human knowledge, but to make the Muslim world feel proud of what some Arabic scholars wrote – a thousand years ago. And maybe feel proud of 2 or 3 picturesque observatories – whose only purpose was to cast more accurate horoscopes:
Islamic science went into decline when religious authorities started to crack down on depictions of the human body and has never recovered. It was the end of academic freedom for the scientists. Science became too risky.
Sure, you can remember lies from right-wing talk radio if you like.
How are engineers and mechanics “relevant voices” on the subject of climate?
How is an astrophysicist who had a completely wrong theory about Venus’ climate a relevant voice on the subject of climate?
I’m talking about Hansen.
Sorry to be an idiot, but how do we know this is genuine?
I guess we’ll know for sure when all 50 come out and deny they never had anything to do with this letter.
I just received a letter from Wysmuller stating that media have been in contact with many who signed the letter, but media have not been reporting on it because there has been no response from NASA administration.
I don’t think Mr. Bolden, the addressee, will comment.
They forgot to mention that their dear Director at GISS took (I won’t say “earned”) about a million dollars in cash and prizes over the past two years from people who had a vested interest in hearing all the alarmism they could buy.
They forgot to mention that the same Director simply forgot to report about a quarter of this outside income to his employer.
They forgot to mention that exacly none of the dear Director’s prognostications materialized over the past thirty years, nor have any data that he republished after manioulating them, whithstood review.
Nor that said Director’s windfalls are in direct violation of Civil Service conflict-of interest rules; much of it he never filed required disclosures for; and may be criminal violations of 18 U.S.C. 209.
A url to the press release can be found here: http://www.plantsneedco2.org/default.aspx?act=Newsletter.aspx&newsletterid=53
I expect this will be known as the “Dear Charlie letter” in the very near future.
I’m going to tag it as the moment that the prow if the good ship “Global Warming”
which in fact has broken up and sunk, enters the muck at the bottom of the abyss.
All we have to do now is wait for the muck and mud to settle.
I hope they sent a copy to Obama.
Do you really think any of what they wrote matters to the sociopaths in power?
Ecosystems unimpressed by antroinvented global warming
“Scientists monitoring water flow in streams at test sites across the USA have found, unexpectedly, that the global warming seen in the late 20th century had basically no effect on most of the ecosystems they studied.”
For many SF readers (and writers) – at least of a certain stripe – the abandoned launch pads and rusting gantries at Cape Kennedy (as it was then) after the end of the Apollo program were emblematic of the loss of a dream, of devolution, decadence or worse (Stephen Baxter titled one essay “Rusting Gantries and Lawn Ornaments: Science Fiction and the Space Age”): reaching for the moon and producing junkyards… Well, the Greens managed to achieve just this, bypassing that bit about space entirely: “Where the giant wheels rust”
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Global Warming is as real as the “Reversal” that liberals use to explain the Democrats Racist History, total fraud and rewriting of history. People need to start thinking instead of walking in lockstep to the fascist liberal propaganda. Global Warming is nothing more than a political opportunistic hoax!
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It doesn’t have to do with the science, since a real power belongs to the lobbyist. They decide via politicians what science should be supported and subsidized. The petition will nothing change at all. Only an economic disaster can do it.
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As a casual viewer of the global warming scene, I’ve noticed that a fellow named Hansen figures prominently. And actually I find the topic of climate change quite amusing in that, does not climate continually change and if climate data are plotted graphically does not a sine wave appears? Now, lest not forget that a sine wave has a pattern, though not a trend. Hence the continual regression analysis is hilarious….
But that’s not the point, for a cursory inference is that NASA has turned in a d-rate weather service, which is quite sad – ‘Cable Access Weather’ in the back country.
Excuse me, no offense intended to the many talented and industrious engineers – you guys are extremely impressive! And I actually wish I paid more attention to details while in school; perhaps then I could have been with you.
Really, I’m actually very dismayed that we must book flights from Moscow….
John F Kerrigan
Sorry for the late reaction, John, but I have planned to tune my piano today. When I am ready, I will press all the keys at once, each key symbolizing a different place on the earth. The noise you hear, compares with global temperature. Hansen informs us about its envelope but not all his retired collegues agree with him.
Just think where we could be now in a legitimate manned space program if all of the tens of billions had not been entirely wasted on nonsensical studies (see IPCC)of a non-problem (anthropogenic global warming). As long as we continue to have to deal with these radical alarmists (Hansen, Mann et al) posing as scientists and their clueless political allies (including President Obama), NASA will be an empty shell of its former self.
Or clean water for the whole Third World? Not only has science been corrupted in the service of politics, but lives have been lost that need not have, in pursuit of a false god.
Alarmist masterpiece by Der Spiegel.
Without mentioning once that total antarctic sea ice currently has 452,000 km^2 more area than the long term average they decry the breakup of the Larsen ice shelf; it’s a COMEDY.
“Die Bilanz der Europäischen Raumfahrtbehörde Esa ist alarmierend: Seit 2002 hat das Larsen-B-Eisschelf in der Antarktis drei Viertel der Eisfläche verloren. Beobachtet hat dies der Satellit “Envisat”. Schuld an der Schmelze ist die Erderwärmung. ”
“ESA is alarmed; since 2002 Larsen B has lost 3 quarters of its area, as observed by Envisat. Responsible is global warming.”
Hamburg propagandists doing what they do best; omitting information and lying through their teeth. BUT, dear Spiegel communists : It’s all in vain. You can’t fool people anymore – the data is visible to everyone. Why don’t you just end your miserable existence and find a real job? Like waiting tables?
Especially since the Larsen Shelf broke not because it was shrinking but because it was growing- it got too heavy to support itself.
But then again, you can’t use the terms “intellectual honesty” and “environmentalist” in the same sentence without a term of negation.
Darn it! Many of us Canadians have been driving around in pick- up trucks for years trying to bring on global warming. Very disappointing.
Can the whine of wannabe moonmen drown out the GISS chorus ? ? ?
What do you mean with “wannabe”.
Over the course of it’s history, NASA has had maybe 100,000 employees, so the fact that 50 wrote a letter does not amaze me. And looking at the job titles of these 50 it does not seem that many of them have actual experience in the science of climatology.
You miss the point completely. All these people are familiar with the scientific process. It does not matter what the science is – the process has been corrupted. They are correct and have done us all a great service. Truly made of The Right Stuff – unlike the Hansens, Manns and Joneses of this world.
And how many Warmmongers have any experience in- not the false coin of ‘climatology’, a made-up field- but in the actual fields of atmospheric physics or meteorology? Practically none.
What you say about Michael Mann getting a grant for over $1 million to study the effect of temperature on insects? Hansen, despite his ‘experience’ is an astronomer while Schmidt is a mathematician. As for Al Gore and Pachauri the first studed theology and the second is a railway engineer. Need I go on?
Mike Mann is an oceanographer IIRC by speciality. All’s fair when you find warming. You can even take Big Oil money and the warmist leftists don’t say a peep.
Naturally. People with actual knowledge of climatology aren’t very likely to sign off on denialist nonsense.
Are we sure they are current employees? Doesn’t the letter clearly state “As former NASA employees…”?
GISS became a stain for NASA because of one person only, namely Hansen. He learned at a young age how easy it was to bait liberals with the climate change nonsense, he capitalized on it to move through political circles to become the Director – rising from a post doc at GISS with little to do except (inaccurate) Mie scattering calculations of the clouds of Venus.
No Hansen, no Gavin Schmidt, who pinch hits for Hansen on occasion but doesn’t have the skills to manipulate liberals and celebrities that Hansen has.
Such people are good at learning how to play people to gain promotions etc, sooner or later Hansen has to bite the wrong hand.
He already has, really, protesting in front of the White House – immediately afterward, the Obama admin ordered release of his declaration of outside income.
This marked the beginning of the end of him, I am thinking (wishfully)
And don’t forget who Hansen’s mentor was, especially in the ‘miscalculation’ of radiation scatter: Carl ‘the Charlatan’ Sagan.
50 dudes? Big whoop.
Bry is calling the 50 experts sheepish dudes? Well, he must be just a sheepish dupe of the GW dudes !
They’re not experts, Dave. Not a one of these people has any background in climate science.
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NASA is under Obama’s thumb. What Obama is doing to the American economy, he is also doing to NASA. I feel sorry for the once powerful USA. For those of us who care about the USA, when we analyse the state of the US economy, I fear that if Obama is not removed from office, he will be the first president to oversee the destruction of the US economy and great institutions like NASA.
The Obama administration is sentencing the American people to future financial servitude. When Obama insulted the American people by bowing to the leader of communist China, it was the ultimate sign that he acknowledged China is now the number 1 economy and is not only in a position of economic influence but is actually using that influence to dictate to the Obama administration.
Why is the Obama administration on a vigorous campaign of borrowing like the USA has never experienced before? With all its debt and other commitments, the US government owes more money tan it could ever hope to repay. The Obama administration now borrows 50cents in every dollar it spends. Unemployment is high. The government has got no money. The economy is contracting. NASA has faced cut backs. The government is cutting back on everything yet Obama regulates Co2 via the EPA, which is actually a weapon of mass economic destruction.
China, on the other hand, has relatively little debt, it is extremely cash rich, its economy keeps growing, its manufacturing base is second to none, unemployment is relatively low, its military spending and expansion should be alarming, its space program is building up, it has already abandoned the US dollar, and the yuan is now a dominant currency of trade. What happens when the US goes to borrow more money from China and other countries who then say “Sorry… no more” thinking about Iceland, Greece, Italy, Spain? This will happen this year.
Americans have no idea of the financial armageddon that is about to happen in the USA which is going to make the 2007/08 GFC look like kids play. And NASA’s future will be but a shadow of its past.
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I think when you try to mock the sociopaths behind all of this it will turn out badly. Sociopaths must win at all costs.
They may well be sociopaths, unfortunately they are also psychopaths who hallucinate and become uncontrollably perturbed when other people fail to perceive their hallucinations.
This is a very difficult pathology to treat.
1 Meteorologist…of 5 years …. 50 PREVIOUS employees….
Yep! Convinces ME!!!!!!!
I know 1,000 previous cat owners that say cats are alien life beings.
another CON, especially when the ONLY guy even CLOSE to being able to talk about “global Warming” with a teeny bit of a background, is the 50TH signature. Ever wonder WHY he’s the 50th? You shouldn’t be STILL READING NAMES!
Unfortunately, I did. And I was in the USAF and went THRU the navigator program with weather technology and causes and effects taught. It didn’t make me OR the meteorologist an expert in Global temperatures changing and the biological changes in migratory patterns of animals and plants, OR glacial reductions… Sorry, that takes physics, biology, chemistry, geology…etc… WORKING together. NONE of which have signatures here.
I regret to be the first to inform you, evidently, that there is no “expert” in the subject matter of “global temperatures” because it is a meaningless concept
Moreover, who do you trust more – people who have nothing to gain by speaking some truth to power, or people who have a vested interest in seeing something happening on a global scale resulting from “human activity”?
All these nobodies appearing here and on WUWT… it has really hit a nerve with the remaining warmist tools. They have recognized their movement is dead. Wow, that took you quite a while.
Global warming one of reason CO2 discharged to atmosphear main idea still not find. my opinon need reorganise our orbit solar system.
I wish I had signed that letter. I worked for Dr Henry P Decell Jr in his Theory and Analysis Office and Hybrid Simulation Branch for Chris C Kraft, NASA JSC, Houston, Apr 1967 – Apr 1969. I was a Captain, US Army.
In 1997 I proved Earth’s thermostat adjusting fossil fuel combustion can never work because the chemical process system atmosphere is not measurable, not observable and not controllable.
In 2011 I proved GHG back-radiation theory whereby cold, low intensity radiation from CO2 molecules is absorbed by Earth’s warmer surface, causing it to radiate more intensely, violates the Second Law of thermo and constitutes a perpetual motion machine. Just what AGW alarmists need to drive global warming in perpetuity.
Pierre R Latour, PE, PhD Chemical Process Control Systems Engineer
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2 things, Scientists can’t tell me how many underseas volcano’s are spouting Green House gasses or how that would effect the weather.
2. They can’t get my 5 day forecast right.
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NASA does science and does it well.
Science is about understanding the laws of physics and in using that understanding to reliably predict the past, present, and future behavior of the physical world. It is by means of NASA understanding these laws of physics (and applying them through mathematical modeling and engineering) that the fifty astronauts were able to go to space and return safely back home.
NASA takes the same scientific approach to studying global climate change. It is the laws of physics that determine how the global climate changes. In studying the physics of global climate change, it has become increasingly clear that it is indeed the continued accumulation of CO2 in the atmosphere due to the burning of fossil fuels by humans that is causing the global climate to warm.
At first thought, it seems surprising (and unbecoming) that 50 former astronauts would be so gullible as to swallow hook, line, and sinker, the propaganda line of the climate denial lobby that there is no global warming problem facing humanity. On second thought, it is very disturbing that credible people would find it so easy to believe only what they want to believe, in total disregard to what the actual facts and laws of physics say.
The message that you hear coming from NASA (and GISS) climate scientists that the global climate is warming because of human industrial activity is a description of what the observed facts and laws of physics say about global climate change. Don’t blame the scientists for bringing you this message. They work for the American tax payer, and the American tax payer has the right to know what is happening to the climate system. If you don’t like the message coming from NASA on global warming, I would strongly recommend that you stop listening to the climate denier propaganda, and start looking at the facts and physics of global climate change yourself.
The real message is in the observed facts (that atmospheric CO2 is increasing) and the laws of physics (that CO2 causes greenhouse warming), and it is to your advantage to understand all that now before global warming leads to climate disaster, rather than have it be an explanation after the climate disaster has happened.
What a tool!
Yes, NASA does science well. The REAL NASA, as represented by these 50 signatories, the NASA that brought us the moon landings and the Hubble telescope. GISS is not the real NASA, merely a department of Columbia U which gets to use NASA letterhead- and they do science poorly, if what Hansen and his little buddies do qualifies as ‘science’ at all, as opposed to pseudoscientific fraud. (And which, remarkably for “NASA”, steadfastly refuses to use satellite data.)
Give it up. Your “facts” are fabrications, your models are junk, your theories are worst sort of physically-impossible tripe.
The truth is that people will only hear what they want to hear.
Perhaps it may be just a waste of time trying to put forward a logical argument as the people in ‘denial’ have a fixed ideological position from which no amount of evidence will divert them from their ‘view’.
Unfortunately whilst the media (e.g. Fox News) maintains its shameful and politically biased, non-scientific discourse, a lot of people, especially in the United States, will sit up and listen distracting scientists from their valuable work in order to defend their work. Although not uniquely an American phenomenon… from an outside perspective the USA, a country which led the scientific world, a justifiably proud nation with a distinguished science pedigree, does not value their scientists! what an absolute and disgraceful waste of time and money beating up those that are ‘uniquely’ qualified and bring UNBIASED evidence, NOT personal views, to the table.
I am amazed, but not surprised that the only way these ex NASA administrators, engineers, and whatever they are, can present their ‘views’ is through a letter to a newspaper and not, as you would expect, thought of a scientific journal. Surely this must say something about the weight of their argument when not one of them has ever presented a peer reviewed paper on ‘climate change’ and use only sentiment and emotion to present their case. One can’t help but be cynical about their motive?
For those who really care about the truth have a look at the post on this site
12. April 2012 at 23:44
“NASA Climate ‘Skeptics’ Respond With Science! Just Kidding”
Another bloviating warmist… boy, you guys must really be hurting from this letter. If CO2 is such a mighty trace gas then why oh why are temperatures not rising? Ask yourself this simple question. Maybe you’re a lying gravy-train riding warmist, in which case I understand your position, you just want to save your profits; but maybe you don’t even profit from the CAGW scare, in which case I would urge you to think for a moment and consider the possibility that you’ve been had…
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my father, god rest his soul, was a meteorologist/climatologist who worked for the gubment, at ETAC (Environmental Technical Application Center) his whole life. His job was to evaluate climate concerns on buildings and spacecraft(apollo et al). When this whole ‘global warming’ hoax was started in the 70’s he used to rant and rave about the ignorance of it. He used to say it was “cloudy” science at best, dead wrong at worst. Whenever he would see stories claiming the damage we were doing to the planet he would get his ‘bowels in an uproar’!!!! He retired in the mid 80’s and was a consultant for the remainder of his life. He designed the climate manuals that were used by the armed forces, and his name was synonymous with ‘real’ science, not the phoney baloney we are seeing propogated by the very agencies he called on the carpet for their politic views.
Excerpt: “One of the most common tactics deniers use is something I call The Impressive Letter Technique, or this being NASA, let it be known by the acronym TILT – which is exactly what it tries to do to your thinking. A TILT is a letter signed by a lot of impressive sounding people who make a public statement or demand, and expect the gullible antiscience press (whose last science class was probably in high school), and the public, to lap it up because of their collective authority.
Ironically, at the same time I was speaking to some of NASA’s climate scientists about how to counter these kinds of propaganda attacks, the denialsphere was abuzz with a new TILT – this one signed by 49 former NASA employees. Like other letters of its kind this one, addressed to NASA Administrator Charlie Bolden, is signed by some prominent and semi-prominent names, thus is has the sheen of collective authority, but none of them are climate scientists or have any training in it. In fact when you break the letter down, it too evaporates into propaganda – in a way that sullies the names and credentials of these formerly respected individuals.”
One of the most common propaganda techniques by the warmists is on the other hand the pompous editorial.
Like other editorial of its kind this one makes heavy use of the misleading and scientifically wrong term “heat-trapping gases”.
In fact when you break the editorial down, it too evaporates into propaganda – in a way that sullies the names and credentials of these formerly respected individuals.
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while all of them are respectful and well educated none of them seem qualified to speak about climate change and global warming. It is like your regular mechanic claiming he is a weather expert.
Hansen is an astrophysicist.
Mann is an oceanographer.
Frankly, I haven’t seen such masses of howling warmist fanboys EVER outside their reservations. You’re mortally wounded. It’s over.
Even your average garage mechanic would say that if something hasn’t been observed in 15 years (“global warming”) – it isn’t there.
If he didn’t he’d be psychotic. This is precicely the reason these “experts” have such a difficult time selling the concept to everyone except gullible squealing patsies who are deluded because they want to be deluded.
It is rediculous to think that you can only speak intelligently about a subject if you’re an “expert”. I have 3 graduate degrees, but 90% of what I know can be found by anyone on the internet. A PhD is given for 1 research project (with oral defense and write-up). Anyone’s PhD is a tiny drop in the bucket in the ocean of knowledge involved in the study of the planet’s weather/temperature.
[…] Then there’s this, from 50 top NASA astronauts, scientists and engineers, who want, “NASA and the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) [to] refrain from including unproven remarks in public releases and websites.” […]
When I was in college in the late 70’s, The collective teaching in the emvironmental classes that I took is ” We are going into the next ice age, the world is cooling because of internal combustion engines and coal fired power plants.” 35 years later we are oe having global warming because of the same reasons!
Attacks on climate science by former NASA staff shouldn’t be taken seriously
A letter from former administrators, astronauts, and engineers at NASA expressing climate change scepticism does not deserve parity with the agency’s peer-reviewed climate scientists.
The list is comprised by managers, computer scientists, astronauts, none of which have a clue about the true science of global warming. Surely they are paid by Koch brothers, Heritage Foundation, oil companies, Cato Institute and others who need to sell us fossil products. Same old story, as the cigarette companies who paid many to deny that tobacco did not cause cancer.
In light of the decimating effects global warming is causing to mankind, this is truly unconscionable.
here are a couple items that will give us a clue of the seriousness of the situation:
Dana Nuccitelli for Skeptical Science, part of the Guardian Environment Network
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 12 April 2012 06.21 EDT
“Surely they are paid by Koch brothers, Heritage Foundation, oil companies, Cato Institute and others who need to sell us fossil products. ”
Wait a moment; do you post that to show everyone the typical reasoning skills of warmists – “surely”? An empty unproven accusation of something that wouldn’t even affect the validity of their points suffices for warmists to discard an argument?
Also, if you don’t like “fossil products”, maybe you shouldn’t buy them.
Please, start improving your reasoning skills. You should first of all look into a dictionary to learn the meaning of the word “evidence”.
As for the “MD”: I don’t believe you. No MD can be that stupid.
The article posted above was from Dana Nuccitelli the Guardian UK newspaper.
The video HOME
is recommended by http://www.lifewatchgroup.org as one of the most beautiful and eye opening videos about humanity and our plenet ever made.
Dear MD: (in such cases I always wonder if “MD” is an integral part of the surname or a second first name) – you forgot the “/sarc on – off”. Parroting cheap but vapid talking points has a certain entertainment value, but it soon wears thin.
FYI: this sort of thing is called an “open letter”. Its express purpose is to bypass the “usual proper channels of communication” to make a troubling matter public, and to bypass the Appeal to Authority. You don’t work for severasl decades for an agency like NASA by being a politically obedient administrative flunkey, but by being a thoroughly competent engineer and getting the work done – so if there is any question of The Right Qualifications involved, it’s on the side of those who signed this open letter.
Do your pals on the golf links with their Porches and Mercedes-Benz share your views of “beauty,” Doctor?
Are they as hypcritcal and stupid as you are, or do you find yourself lonely with your gullibility?
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The models of “The Greenhouse Effect” are not real world physics, they contradict the physics still taught in up-to-date tradition.
“Shortwave in Longwave out” is false. We cannot feel shortwave from the Sun as heat energy, it is not capable of heating matter, it is not physically able to move whole molecules of land and water and us into vibration, which is what it takes to heat up matter.
The models have taken out the real direct radiant heat from our millions of degree hot Sun and given it to “shortwave in, mainly visible” in order to use real world direct measurements of downwelling longwave infrared from the real Sun and pretend these come from “backradiation by greenhouse gases from the atmosphere under TOA”.
Traditional teaching from NASA:
“Far infrared waves are thermal. In other words, we experience this type of infrared radiation every day in the form of heat! The heat that we feel from sunlight, a fire, a radiator or a warm sidewalk is infrared. The temperature-sensitive nerve endings in our skin can detect the difference between inside body temperature and outside skin temperature”
“Shorter, near infrared waves are not hot at all – in fact you cannot even feel them.”
Either traditional science is wrong here or you AGW/CAGWs are..
Who created the KT97 and ilk comic cartoons of “shortwave in longwave out” and introduced this into the general education system?