Central Europe’s Warming Since 1990 Coincides With Instrumentation, Solar And Precipitation Changes, Not CO2

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8 responses to “Central Europe’s Warming Since 1990 Coincides With Instrumentation, Solar And Precipitation Changes, Not CO2”

  1. Lasse

    Sulfur (SO2) in the air varies at the same pattern.
    https://ourworldindata.org/air-pollution
    Wild has seen this and talks about solar dimming and solar brightening.

  2. Gus

    More sunshine in recent decades has been observed in the Netherlands, Spain, Iran, China, and other locations too[1-4]. It is primarily due to changes in cloud cover, which, in turn, are driven by solar activity[5], as per the Svensmark’s Effect[6].

    [1] http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~delde102/CleanerAirBetterViewsMoreSunshine.pdf

    [2] https://doi.org/10.1002/joc.4107

    [3] https://doi.org/10.1002/2014JD022326

    [4] https://doi.org/10.1016/j.atmosenv.2014.09.052

    [5] https://doi.org/10.1002/2013JD021308

    [6] https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-017-02082-2

  3. John F. Hultquist

    This got long. Sorry.

    Try this:
    Go outside, sit in a lawn chair, and watch the sun go down.
    If the sky is extremely clear, the temperature will drop, often quickly; depending on elevation and other factors.
    If the sky is fully overcast, the temperature may drop slowly, or not at all if wind is from a warm region.
    These things have been known for centuries, and increasing CO2 has almost no effect.

    If one is in an airplane with a thick cloud below, the clouds will be brilliantly white – a very high albedo. If one is under those clouds, it will be quite dark. Solar light does not get through.

    There is a term – “sub-solar point” – meaning where on Earth the Sun is perceived to be directly overhead. For about 1,200 km out from this point the solar rays are intense. If one is over a body of clean water – think the mid-Pacific Ocean – with the sub-solar point below, the water’s surface will appear nearly black. [Side note: the Blue Planet is so called because of Earth’s atmosphere, not its oceans.]
    Black is the absence of color, or solar light/rays/energy. If you go into that apparently black water, you will see colors, say a colorful fish. Go deeper and the color (energy) seems to disappear. The energy is absorbed. This is how the oceans warm.
    Now, go look up Trade Winds, the Pacific Warm Pool, and El Niño & La Niña & Southern Oscillation. Remember that Earth rotation gives the Coriolis Effect.

    Ocean water and atmospheric movements are greatly influenced by where the solar energy hits Earth, whether or not there are thick clouds, the rotation, and the structures that deflect the flows of both water and air.

    Much is known, much unknown, but the role of CO2 in all this is little to none.

    Thanks for reading.

    1. Yonason

      “Go outside, sit in a lawn chair, and watch the sun go down.
      If the sky is extremely clear, the temperature will drop, often quickly”

      I used to notice that when I was a kid; from short sleeves to sweater in under half an hour.

      <em"the role of CO2 in all this is little to none."

      Yup. Nice observations.

  4. SebastianH

    The question is: Why have temperatures gone up? Has this temperature rise, particularly since 1990, been due to CO2 trapping heat?

    One interesting aspect from the above chart is that we see Germany temperature saw no increase from about 1900 to 1990, but then suddenly it shot up almost instantly by a full degree. In terms of warming, that’s not how CO2 is supposed to work. CO2 doesn’t sleep on the job for almost a century, then go to town in a single year or two.

    You are right Pierre, that is not how CO2 works. CO2 forcing causes a general increase of the heat in the system. The distribution of that increased heat is not uniform. That’s why regions can cool even while global warming is happening.

    And that’s also the reason why the anthropogenic influence is hard to detect on a regional level when local climate is so dependend by how heat gets distributed.

  5. Weekly Climate and Energy News Roundup #349 | Watts Up With That?
  6. Weekly Climate and Energy News Roundup #349 - Sciencetells

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