An observational study analyzing the effects of 300, 480, 3200, 7500, and 16,900 ppm CO2 on atmospheric (and soil) temperatures has determined “temperatures of atmospheric air in mesocosms [controlled outdoor experiments] with substantially higher CO2 concentration (ranging from 3200 ppm to 16900 ppm) were lower than that with the lower CO2 concentration (480 ppm)”.
Image Source: Zhang et al., 2020
Can we find a real-world experiment assessing CO2’s temperature impact?
Using real-world experimental evidence to directly measure the effects of incremental increases in CO2 concentrations on air temperatures is highly unusual in climate science.
Most studies utilize extrapolations from radiation modeling that rest on a series of assumptions to theoretically assess CO2’s effect on the temperature of atmospheric air (Kennedy and Hodzic, 2019, Gerlich and Tscheuschner, 2009).
An exception would be Lightfoot and Mamer, 2018, who directly assessed the air temperature changes associated with specific CO2 concentrations. They found that CO2 is sometimes a cooling gas, and sometimes it’s a warming gas.
Supporting the contention of a dual cooling and warming – or negligible – effect of CO2 variability on air temperature, it has been determined that natural cave air may vary between 500 ppm in summer to 5000 ppm in winter despite very minimal seasonal temperture gradients (Pla et al., 2017).
Image Source: Pla et al., 2017
New experimental study challenges the CO2-rise-leads-to-warming paradigm
The seven co-authors of a new paper (Zhang et al., 2020) were intent on demonstrating the dangers of substantial CO2 emissions from soil and its contribution to the greenhouse effect.
Natural soil emissions are a legitimate concern for those who believe CO2 drives the Earth’s temperature changes.
After all, the air CO2 concentrations in soil can reach 20,000 ppm (Zhang et al., 2020), and natural yearly emissions from soil respiration/perturbation are 9 times greater than that from all human activity combined.
Image Source: ScienceDaily
Zhang and colleagues utilized mesocosms – controlled outdoor experiments – to assess the air and soil temperature effect of step changes in CO2 concentration.
They “unexpectedly” found the mesocosms with the 3 highest CO2 concentrations – 3200, 7500, and 16,900 ppm – actually had lower associated atmospheric temperatures than the mesocosms with 480 ppm.
The authors suggest the higher CO2 concentrations rise, the more they “may enhance net heat loss”.
Similarly, even soil temperatures were cooler with the higher CO2 concentrations (16,900 ppm), leading the authors to suggest that substantially higher CO2 “may cool the soil”.
These experimental results would appear to undermine the popular assumption that linear increases in CO2 cause linear increases in temperature due to an enhancement of the overall greenhouse effect.
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“Is it therefore necessary to pay attention to trapped radiation in deducing the temperature of a planet as affected by its atmosphere? The solar rays penetrate the atmosphere, warm the ground which in turn warms the atmosphere by contact and by convection currents. The heat received is thus stored up in the atmosphere, remaining there on account of the very low radiating power of a gas. It seems to me very doubtful if the atmosphere is warmed to any great extent by absorbing the radiation from the ground, even under the most favourable conditions.”
R. W. Wood in his Note on the Theory of the Greenhouse
Increasing CO2 raises the low radiating power of the atmosphere and helps cooling to space. What the net effect is, and how significant, I don’t know. On the face of it, not significant. The main factor is water (evaporation, clouds and their latitudinal variability, water vapor and clouds raising the radiating power of the atmosphere…). It’s a steady state heat transfer problem for the atmosphere, somebody should try to solve it.
You do not need to look very hard to find concrete evidence that radiative responsive gasses in the atmosphere increase cooling. There is high positive correlation between the amount of water vapour in the atmosphere and the rate of cooling. The linked chart provides time based comparison of changes in global total atmospheric water and outgoing long wave radiation over the past three years:
https://1drv.ms/b/s!Aq1iAj8Yo7jNg1uzA-KKFEvD5BzX
The annual variation in water vapour is typically 4mm water equivalent. This increase causes an increase in OLR of typically 6W/sq.m. When TWP falls, OLR follows.
Several months ago, I was shown a book that dealt with CO2 as a cooling gas. It was in the mechanical engineering part of a library.
Heresy for the climatologists!
Cooling by CO2 is most likely correct.
Hot of the press:
https://phzoe.wordpress.com/2020/02/20/two-theories-one-ideological-other-verified/
The graph shows 6 days. We are told we are reaching the tipping point where catastrophe occurs for i guess eternity because we humans produce .03% of all CO2. My question is are there any studies of long term effects of sustained higher levels of CO2 ? One could conceivably have a controlled environment with increments of 300ppm increasing to 6600 or more with all other variables kept constant. I know there are studies where temp is inferred from tree rings, soil microbes and flora, but I don’t know if any of the plant studies also address temp variations along with the other considerations they were testing for.
Is this paper from Zhang et al. peer-reviewed?
Given CO2’s molecular absorption spectra, how do any of you propose that it could becomes a cooling gas?
What is the transition frequency, where it is just on the cusp of being 0, i.e. neither absorbing or emitting?
And why?
What physics, if any, supports such a claim?
I’d like to see it.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
Nitrogen – air – both absorbs and emits IR. Because it’s so abundant, it even becomes “radiatively important”. Why is CO2 more “special”?
https://notrickszone.com/2020/02/10/scientists-oxygen-nitrogen-radiatively-important-greenhouse-gases-with-ir-absorption-temps-similar-to-co2/
Here are a few more scientific papers that indicate increasing CO2 leads to cooling.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2015GL066749/full
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/joc.3370040405/abstract
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v280/n5724/abs/280668a0.html
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/1520-0469(1976)033%3C2094:ANEMOH%3E2.0.CO%3B2
David Appell,
seems your grasp of basic physic is unabated.
Of course the ability to absorb energy is not how CO2 becomes a cooling gas.
But the ability of CO2 to radiate energy away makes it so.
Are you disputing that CO2 radiates energy?
Thank you very much
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