German Climate Researcher, Geologist: “What Climate Scientists Could Learn From Virologists”

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Corona shows the stark attitude differences between the sciences of climate and virology. While one arrogantly claims to monopolize the truth, the other acknowledges the great uncertainties.


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By Dr. Sebastian Lüning, Die kalte Sonne

(Text translated, edited by P Gosselin)

The corona virus with all the effects is currently pushing all other issues completely to the sidelines. This also includes the climate topic.

Climate activists like Professor Volker Quaschning or Professor Stefan Rahmstorf know it. Currently they fear for their livelihoods as they try to resist this with all their might, sometimes with absurd tweets or, as in the case of Professor Stefan Rahmstorf, with an article in Spektrum der Wissenschaft: Denial of science in times of corona“.

In his article, Professor Rahmstorf (Oceanography and Paleoclimatology!) also fancies himself a corona expert, and he puts those who do not agree with him in climate research in the same bag with the scientists who are critical of the corona crisis and approach. This is done completely without any basis because these are two completely different issues.

Climate activists seeking attention

It is a contemptible attempt to desperately link corona and climate, no matter what. This is being done simply because corona is the top issue right now. And before his own issue gets completely washed away, Rahmstorf is stooping to such means to try to get some attention. This blog here admits that it lacks the expertise to properly judge the corona debate.

Beholders of the truth?

But something completely different is crucial here. Anyone who looks at or listens to the regular statements or podcasts of experts such as Berlin virologist Professor Christian Drosten will see the pleasant difference to climate alarmists like Professors Quaschning or Rahmstorf. Unlike them, Professor Drosten does not consider himself to be the sole beholder of the truth. On March 20, 2020, he explained in his podcast:

“There is no research data on long-range curfews. Caution is also called for when dealing with numbers.” …”Summer can have at least a small effect on the virus.”

Uncertainty is acknowledged

This has been the case since the beginning of his podcast series. Professor Drosten has stated more than once that science does not yet know certain things or that certain findings have since become obsolete. Imagine if he applied the popular killer argument “the science is settled” to corona in the same way as Professors Rahmstorf or Quaschning do with climate.

Models have failed

Yet, climate models that fail to reflect reality still remain the basis for future scenarios. They are taken at face value, even though their calibration fail when past data are applied. And even worse, people are being told that there is a control over the climate that is now being lost.

Is this a lack of knowledge, a lack of respect for nature, or just their own blunt agenda?

Alarmist scientists don’t contribute to healthy science

The climate debate will also fail because of the fact that the aforementioned people are sitting in ideological trenches and hurling grenades in the direction of the other side. This is something you can do in a war, but unfortunately it does not lend to a social discourse.




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12 responses to “German Climate Researcher, Geologist: “What Climate Scientists Could Learn From Virologists””

  1. German Climate Researcher, Geologist: “What Climate Scientists Could Learn From Virologists” — NoTricksZone - Climate- Science.press

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  2. tom0mason

    Yet, climate models that fail to reflect reality still remain the basis for future scenarios. They are taken at face value, even though their calibration fail when past data are applied. And even worse, people are being told that there is a control over the climate that is now being lost.

    Is this a lack of knowledge, a lack of respect for nature, or just their own blunt agenda?

    The problem is that the models have NO METHOD of mapping chaos, and climate is chaos. A chaos that is not just about the rise and fall of temperatures but more, about the very chaotic interactions of all natural parameters that make this planet’s climate. That is what the so called ‘climate scientists’ have so wrong, they seem to think that climate is a linear progression — no it’s not! It is a chaotic progression.

    Now all you wannabe ‘climate scientists’ study the math of chaos, study how chaos works.
    BBC video — High Anxieties- The Mathematics of Chaos (2008)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfp5tKeSQAc
    ~~~~~~~~
    And …
    Video of Christmas Lectures from 1997 ‘The Magical Maze: Chaos and Cauliflowers’.
    Lecture 4 – Chaos and cauliflowers. From the 1997 DVD companion: For mathematicians, there is order to be found everywhere, even in disorder. Professor Stewart sets out to do what man has attempted since the dawn of time …
    https://www.rigb.org/christmas-lectures/watch/1997/the-magical-maze/chaos-and-cauliflowers

    The closer you get to very accurate and precise measurement of any event the more you see chaos coming into view.

    Your measurement perturbations are my evidence of chaos.

  3. Zoe Phin
  4. John F. Hultquist

    By November, more will be learned about the virus than the “climate experts” have learned in 50 years about how the climate(s) work.

  5. Robert Kernodle

    Here’s what I know or have been led to believe that I know:

    From about the start of the COVID-19 crisis in December 2019 until now, April 12, 2020, a total of 120 days have gone by. On each and every one of those days, here are how many people died, in the United States alone, of the following:

    442 deaths per day from preventable cardiovascular disease
    1,315 deaths per day from smoking
    88 deaths per day from motor-vehicle crashes
    241 deaths per day from alcohol-related causes

    120 days x 442 cardio deaths/day = 53,040 cardio deaths
    120 days x 1,315 smoking deaths/day = 157,800 smoking deaths
    120 days x 88 motor-vehicle deaths/day = 10,560 motor-vehicle deaths
    120 days x 241 alcohol-related deaths/day = 28,920 alcohol-related deaths

    So, during the 120 days, when 22,071 people in the United States died from COVID-19, … 53,040 people died from preventable heart disease, 157,800 people died from smoking, 10,560 people died from motor-vehicles, and 28,920 people died from alcohol.

    53,040 + 157,800 + 10,560 + 28,920 = 250,320 people in the United States — people who made individual choices to accept the risks of their behavior that could kill them and DID kill them — received no news coverage, while 22,071 people caused the entire country to shut down normal operations.

    250,320 divided by 22,071 = 11 times more people in the United States died of other PREVENTABLE causes than from COVID-19. That’s 11 x 22,071 = 250,320 people died from other largely PREVENTABLE causes than from COVID-19. And the whole country shut down normal operations, because of them alone!

    1. bonbon

      The recent biospheric shocks of COVID, SARS, MERS, Ebola, were forecast, and thus preventable, since at least 1985.
      The very same process that brought Brexit, Trump – the destruction of the physical economy over decades, has finally brought its replacement, financialization, to its very knees. This has been building up since 1971 when Nixon killed Bretton-Woods, and especially since Summers killed Glass-Steagall in 1999.
      So the medicine is clear – restore these with massive physical economic credit. That means USA, Russia, China, India working together – they are being hard hit right now. Quarantining the utterly bankrupt WallStreet-London swamp being critical to any recovery.

  6. Petit_Barde

    “What Climate (pseudo) Scientists Could Learn From Virologists”

    Nothing.

    You can’t teach something to someone who is payed to think the opposite.

  7. bonbon

    Climatologists suffer the same crippling limitations as virologists, today.
    To understand climate, take the galactic environment, as Svensmark and Shaviv showed, to howls of protest.

    To understand this, correctly termed SYLVATIC, take the biosphere and its highest development, our noosphere. 3 decades of deliberately lowering the relative potential population density, ours, with sudden regional declines guarantees the biosphere’s lower forms of life will consume us as fuel. Society exists in the biosphere.

    The virus has found new fuel. Going green makes compost of our species.

  8. Gus

    “>>> Yet, climate models that fail to reflect reality still remain the basis for future scenarios […] Is this a lack of knowledge, a lack of respect for nature, or just their own blunt agenda? <<<"

    Numerical climate models are pseudo-scientific garbage used to… deceive. Yes they are tools of deception. People who make their living off this scam, some of whom have the gall to call themselves "climate scientists," are in fact nothing more than academic charlatans using their position to peddle enviro-fascist demagoguery.

  9. Ron Clutz

    That’s the greatness of evidence-based medicine. When you treat victims according to a theory of the disease, and people get worse and many die, rather than improving, the theory is proven wrong and has to change. That appears to be happening now, driven by observations from the field doctors and nurses caring for infected people.
    If only there were some actual victims of global warming/climate change, (instead of kids with lawyers) perhaps that theory could be dislodged. As it is, we have no planet “B”, so we should not change how we care for this one unless and until Earth gets a fever.
    So to the point above, the humility and humanity of virologists means they able to learn from experience and facts on the ground. Here is an update on how the theory of Covid19 fell and is being changed:
    https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2020/04/12/easter-news-covid-killing-secret-exposed/

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