Climate Scientists Getting Company: German Virologists, Physicians “Fear For Their Freedom Of Expression”

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The COVID-19 pandemic has exposed how scientific dissent is not only being suppressed and marginalized in Germany when it comes to climate science, but with virology and public health.

The online German national daily Die Welt here writes, “Virologists and physicians fear for their freedom of expression in the Corona crisis.” Climate scientists are getting some company!

Scientific freedom “under threat”

Citing the results of a recent survey, to Die Welt reports “many experts believe that freedom of expression in science is under threat” and “virologists have begun to change their attitude towards the measures taken by the German government.”

As the economy reels from the stringent restrictions enacted by authorities across Europe, the discussion about how to respond to the spread of the virus has become bitter. Public health experts opposing the restrictions and lock downs have found themselves marginalized and attacked by the media, other virologists and most politicians.

Shift: COVID-19 alarmism waning, frustration growing

Using a survey, “Researchers at the University Hospital Eppendorf in Hamburg (UKE), the Society for Virology (GfV) and the University of Tübingen have tried to determine the mood among experts,” Die Welt reports. “178 experts from the fields of virology, immunology, hygiene, internal medicine and intensive care medicine” were surveyed anonymously. The results show that “more than more than 70 percent of the participants support the distance rule of two metres and the prohibition of major events” but that the other restrictions were “far more controversial”.

One third feel freedom in science is “being threatened”

What’s surprising: “One third even see freedom of expression in science as being threatened” and today 63 percent think “it would be sensible to restore public and economic life”. Also: “social distancing” is apparently losing support, according to the survey.

Overall, the findings show that the pandemic skeptics are finally beginning to assert their views to the public.

Unfortunately this is not even close to happening in climate science, where in Germany the ultra-alarmists continue to control the message. That freedom to express science is under threat, “is probably what many climate scientists secretly think,” Die kalte Sonne site here commented.

Perhaps COVID-19 tells us how moods can change quickly once restrictions start eroding freedom and prosperity.

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16 responses to “Climate Scientists Getting Company: German Virologists, Physicians “Fear For Their Freedom Of Expression””

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  2. Zoe Phin

    The alarmists need to be called out for who they are: geothermal deniers.

    No need for playing Mr. Nice Guys, boys, call out the vermin for who they are: deniers.

    They are winning because the tactic works. Shame and ridicule is more effective than reason. It is therefore more reasonable to use them.

    http://phzoe.com/2020/04/29/the-irrelevance-of-geothermal-heat-flux/

    The problem with free speech is that it puts liars on an equal footing with truth-tellers. We can’t limit free speech, but we can use their own tactics against them.

    Thoughts?

  3. Steve

    In OZ we had lockdowns and distancing. It works.
    People are impatient and stupid.
    They somehow think that the virus has disappeared !
    There will be a second wave in my opinion.

    1. Mick

      Saying there will be second wave is like saying there will be wet grass after it rains. OF COURSE this virus will continue to cause issues, however the lockdowns (FIRST TIME in HUMAN HISTORY HEALTHY PEOPLE are QUARANTINED) is extending the length of the virus, second wave is really just the 1st wave finally getting exhausted.

      Or we could just all live in a hole and pray someone throws us some food and water, meanwhile per the WHO over 1.2 MILLION WILL STARVE TO DEATH if we do not re-open the World in the next few months.

      1. Ken McMurtrie

        Full support Mick!
        You’ve got it nailed!

    2. Aussie

      Steve
      With regard to lockdowns I am sorry but where is the evidence here? We have South Australia with a much milder lockdown doing better than Victoria next door, we have many US states without locks downs doing well and Taiwan never locked down its economy and has beaten nearly all the others.

      NZ has not done any better than AU with their bizarre total lockdown.

      We need to be talking science here.

      The lockdowns were put in place at the peak of cases. And the drop away from there should have occurred 2 weeks and more later, not immediately. This proves that the lockdown was unnecessary and the distancing, suspension of flights, better hygiene were doing the job.

      The doom cries about 2nd waves are overdone. If one comes we deal with it, we have the resources in place.

      What we should be asking is where will AUs policies end up? We have no herd immunity and with no vaccine AU will not be able to open up to international flights for many years. This is never pointed out. We were told we would crush the curve but in reality another agenda is in play. We need to be aware of what the end point of that agenda is, and there are big questions that need to be answered…

      More science, less fear mongering and more questions about the health and other dire consequences due to the economy killing lockdowns.

      1. Petit_Barde

        Steve,

        an analysis of the daily deaths curves shows that in most of the countries, the lockdown has been applied one or two weeks after the infection spread peak had been passed.

        As Aussie said, it seems that the social distancing already voluntary applied among the population were already efficient.

        Countries that did not apply a strict lockdown (or even no lockdown at all) as South Korea, Tawain, Belarus, Iceland, Sweden among others are jdoing well and in most of the cases, way better than the countries which applied a strick lockdown.

        Furthermore, we also have to look at the effects of the lockdown itself on the population and there is no doubt about the fact that they are huge :
        – massive suicides increase, undectected cancers, severe diseases not treated in time, mental illnesses, overdoses, alcoholism, unemployment, collapsed businesses, domestic violence, children and young people who have lost all bearings and ruined – at least – their school year, etc.

        And how do we reopen now ? Applying lockdown again each time there are a few new cases ?
        Look at all the problems that we face now just to try to reopen schools in the northern emisphere despite the fact that we know since months that children are not at risk.

        The fact is that when we apply a policy, all the factors must be taken into account. If we look just at one factor, moreover, basing our decision on wrong models used by “experts” with an appalling track record, we are sure of one thing :
        – to cause a huge and durable disaster.

  4. ahlam st

    I like the efforts you have put in this, thankyou for all the great posts

  5. pochas94

    The leftist politicians want a seat as high as possible on the rubble of civilization.

    1. DeeJay

      That sums it up quite nicely. I may have to use that if you don’t mind.

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