Climate Skepticism Storms Into Germany’s Bundestag As Parliamentarians More Concerned About Getting Out Of Town!

Happy Easter!

Germany’s right-wing AfD party and (at times) the FDP Free Democrats, are the only parties across the German political landscape who are challenging climate change science and the country’s much maligned Energiewende.

Of course the media in Germany, where man-made climate disaster is accepted as fact, tries to use this to portray skeptics as being extremist and crackpot.

Yet, the FDP and AfD together make up a formidable 25% of the German Parliament, and so climate policy is no longer getting the unanimous free pass it used to get. Also a faction of Angela Merkel’s CDU party have expressed reservations about climate science and green energies. Some things are moving.

Skepticism is budding in Germany, and that is in some ways remarkable in the consensus-driven country.

On Friday, March 23, before the Bundestag (German Parliament), Karsten Hilse of the AfD (Alternativ für Deutschland – Alternative for Germany) party told before Parliament that there is nothing unusual happening to the global climate today, and that the changes we are currently observing are well within the natural range.

Hilse then scoffs at claims the planet is heading for an apocalypse.

(Please excuse the poor audio quality).

Next Hilse reminds that climate is defined as the mean of 30 years of weather, and goes on to call measures aimed at “protecting weather” absurd. He also alludes to the corrupt nature of German climate research: “The institutes deliver exactly what their funders request.”

Hilse expressed his party’s doubts that one extra molecule of CO2 per 10,000 has the climate impact that is often claimed to have. He reminds that the global warming is mostly generated in models – models that are unable to reproduce the past, and thus cannot be relied on to make forecasts for the future.

At the 2:40 mark Hilse fields a question from an opposing Parliamentarian, who asks why Hilse rejects the consensus of “99% of independent scientists”. “Which scientific sources are you citing for your pseudo-statements?” Hlise explains (amid some background shouting) that the study in question is flawed: Of the 12,000 publications examined, some 8000 took no position at all. Background here.

Near the end, Hilse went on to reject the government’s de-carbonization effort by 2050, often dubbed as the Great Transformation, and Germany’s participation in binding international decarbonization treaties.

He also says the AfD is calling for a stop to the financing of pseudoscience and an immediate stop of the German EEG renewable feed-in act, which he calls a “socialist redistribution”, that so far “has cost consumers several hundreds of billions of euros”.

Parliamentarians more concerned about leaving town early

Viewers will note how the Parliament is almost empty for that particular session on CO2 emissions, which tells us just how seriously the German government takes “humanity’s greatest threat”.

Image: Screenshot of the homepage of the Deutscher Bundestag Mediathek

Obviously few of them cared enough to show up, and most were more concerned about getting out of town really early for the weekend.

46 responses to “Climate Skepticism Storms Into Germany’s Bundestag As Parliamentarians More Concerned About Getting Out Of Town!”

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  2. tom0mason

    A joy to watch!
    It is both encouraging and heartwarming to see that the speech get applauded numerous times.
    Maybe the truth is getting further than some cAGW advocates would wish to believe.

  3. Don from Oz

    Poor audio – Don’t fret too much Pierre those of us who can’t speak or understand German just read your translation thank you.

  4. SebastianH

    It hurt to hear this clown speak … he wants to halt ideological pseudosciences? Then he should stop presenting the “skeptical” nonsense like it is the absolute truth.

    Begins the speech with greetings to “patriots from Dresden” (really “concerned citizen” who are afraid of people different than them despite living in the state with the least foreigners) and ends with the usual climate denier delusion of “knowing” that “real science” is on their side … really a clown, and of course his fellow clown party friends do applaud. Why would they not? Blogs like this one also have their uncritical followers who praise everything that’s being said without being the least bit skeptical.

    P.S.: Happy Easter in your fantasy world where FDP and AfD somehow end up on the same side of an argument 😉

    1. Kenneth Richard

      It hurt to hear this clown speak

      stop presenting the “skeptical” nonsense

      really a clown

      his fellow clown party friends

      climate denier delusion

      Happy Easter in your fantasy world

      Quite a substantive rebuttal, SebastianH. Name-calling, insults, and the puzzling “climate denier” reference. I’m curious as to how someone can deny the climate, but we’ve been through this before.

      1. AndyG55

        “How, exactly, does one deny the climate?”

        You DENY that we are currently at a very much cooler period of the current interglacial, only just above the COLDEST period in 10,000 years.

        You DENY that the MWP and basically all the 9000 year before it were significantly warmer than now, and that is when human civilisation developed.

        you DENY that Arctic sea ice is only just a tiny amount down from the most extreme period in 10,000 years, and still in the top 10% of the current interglacial.

        You DENY that the ONLY warming in the satellite record has come from ocean effects, especially El Ninos and therefore has nothing to do with human anything.

        You DENY that gravity forms the thermal gradient that controls atmospheric temperature.

        You DENY that there is ZERO scientific proof that enhance atmospheric CO2 causes warming of anything

        You DENY that enhanced atmospheric CO2 is TOTALLY BENEFICAL to all life on Earth.

        These denials point to the real CLIMATE DENIERS.

        1. tom0mason

          AndyG55 it’s just the same tired old nonsense from the out of work burger flipper.

          1. AndyG55

            I bet he needed someone there to tell him when to flip, or phlop.

          2. Nigel S

            Also a gratuitous dig at the supposed zenophobes of Dresden. A classic example of denial of the realiy on the ground in Germany.

          3. AndyG55

            “In one direction parts of the planets freeze and get covered with ice in the other direction coastal region get flooded. “

            roflmao.

            You really are stuck on EMPTY, aren’t you seb.

            You are talking about NATURALLY occurring events, that have occurred regularly throughout history.

            To even fantasise that they are caused by human anything is child-minded naivety and DENIAL of NATURAL history.

        2. SebastianH

          You DENY that we are currently at a very much cooler period of the current interglacial, only just above the COLDEST period in 10,000 years.

          Why would I and what does that have to do with the reality of AGW?

          You DENY that the MWP and basically all the 9000 year before it were significantly warmer than now, and that is when human civilisation developed.

          It probably wasn’t, but again, what does that have to do with the reality of AGW? For what it matters it could have been 20°C warmer 1000 years ago, the climate is still warming caused by a large part by our emissions.

          you DENY that Arctic sea ice is only just a tiny amount down from the most extreme period in 10,000 years, and still in the top 10% of the current interglacial.

          If you say so. Amazing with what confidence you can stand behind data that supports what you believe, but anything that contradicts you is automatically fake. Fun times, AndyTrollG55

          You DENY that the ONLY warming in the satellite record has come from ocean effects, especially El Ninos and therefore has nothing to do with human anything.

          Definitely yes! What a bunch of nonsense. El Ninos Events in itself are just a redistribution of heat content. The heat content increases because of the CO2 forcing.

          You DENY that gravity forms the thermal gradient that controls atmospheric temperature [at the surface]

          Of course I do … what sane person wouldn’t? You are contradicting physics with your gravito-thermal-whatever nonsense.

          You DENY that there is ZERO scientific proof that enhance atmospheric CO2 causes warming of anything

          We know this for almost a century now …

          You DENY that enhanced atmospheric CO2 is TOTALLY BENEFICAL to all life on Earth.

          Well, if you need to write in caps, then I am probably against whatever you are ranting about. Since plants breath CO2, sure … they benefit. That doesn’t make more CO2 a good thing though. So yes, fully in denial 😉

          These denials point to the real CLIMATE DENIERS.

          Probably the highest honor, to be named as one of them. Thanks AndyG55.

          1. AndyG55

            ROFLMAO.

            Not one single scientific rebuttal of any point I made.

            Just mindless DENIAL and mantra driven regurgitation of your brain-hosed WILFUL IGNORANCE.

            FACTS, seb.. you have NONE

            “climate is still warming caused by a large part by our emissions.”

            Unprovable brain-washed BS. Where is the proof? You have NONE, just yap the mantra.

            “We know this for almost a century now …”

            Then why the absolute and total INABILITY to produce one single bit of empirical proof?

            “You are contradicting physics with your gravito-thermal-whatever nonsense.”

            So you really do DENY that gravity forms the gravity thermal gradient. BIZARRE !!
            Your grasp of basic science and physics is below that of a child. DENIAL of basic physics.. really !!!

            You have to DENY the basics of science, physics, biology and REALITY itself, for your silly little anti-CO2 fantasies to not collapse in a massive heap of wasted sludge.

          2. AndyG55

            “That doesn’t make more CO2 a good thing though. “

            There is no downside to increased atmospheric CO2, the world developed when aCO2 was MUCH higher. The increase of aCO2 from the barely sustainable level of the last few 100,000 years has been of MASSIVE BENEFIT to all life on Earth

            You have NOTHING.. you are EMPTY.

          3. SebastianH

            Not one single scientific rebuttal of any point I made.

            Please elaborate where you made a point that is in need of being rebuttaled?

            So you really do DENY that gravity forms the gravity thermal gradient. BIZARRE !!

            Way to go twisting around what others write. Your claim is not that there is a gradient, your claim is the gradient is determining surface temperatures and not only that, you claim that the gradient is responsible for the higher than expected surface temperatures. Want to talk about the grasp on basic science and physics again? 😉

            There is no downside to increased atmospheric CO2, the world developed when aCO2 was MUCH higher.

            For life itself that’s probably true at the low levels we are talking about. But it so happens that the imbalance causes stuff to happen. In one direction parts of the planets freeze and get covered with ice in the other direction coastal region get flooded. Also the way we get our energy is unsustainable, why would we not want to change to a better form of using the Sun’s energy?

          4. AndyG55

            Still NOTHING but EMPTY nonsense. !!

            Basically every yap of yours is WRONG.

            Surface temperatures are NOT higher than expected, they are pretty much exactly as expected by the solar input, ocean storage and atmospheric pressure. Basic physics, which you have proven you have basically zero comprehension of.

            “But it so happens that the imbalance causes stuff to happen.”

            What load of FANTASY, make-it-up, anti-science BS..
            …you really need to get back to rational thought and discover some basic REALITY.. !

            There is no better, more RELIABLE, form of the sun’s energy currently available than coal..
            .. that is why the world continues to expands it use.

          5. AndyG55

            “The heat content increases because of the CO2 forcing.”

            roflmao.

            There is absolutely ZERO science that proves CO2 can warm oceans, its scientific NONSENSE.

      2. Bitter&twisted

        Tempting as it is DNFTT.

      3. SebastianH

        Quite a substantive rebuttal, SebastianH

        Continuing the theme that every insane minutia of the deniosphere that doesn’t get proper “counterarguments” and a “substantive rebuttal” must then automatically be the truth.

        It’s fantasy and simple minds like those AfD clowns are exploiting it and falling for it at the same time.

        1. Kenneth Richard

          insane … deniosphere … fantasy … simple minds … clowns

          Obviously you missed the point. Responding with name-calling and insults is viewed as a testament to one’s desperation. It does not lead others to believe you have anything of substance to say. Just the opposite. In other words, these kind of responses don’t work if you’re trying to persuade people, and it would probably be better if you had decided not to respond at all.

          1. SebastianH

            Responding with name-calling and insults is viewed as a testament to one’s desperation. It does not lead others to believe you have anything of substance to say.

            Tell that your buddy AndyG55 or tomOmason or the many others commenting here.

            In other words, these kind of responses don’t work if you’re trying to persuade people

            You can’t be persuaded, I have given up on that fight long ago. You sounded rational to me in the beginning, but you are not. It’s cherry picking blog science what you guys do and simple minds fall for it.

          2. AndyG55

            “You can’t be persuaded, I have given up on that fight long ago”

            You could never produce any actual scientific evidence for ANYTHING, least of all the fallacy of atmospheric CO2 warming.

            EMPTY, zero-substance rhetoric is never going to persuade anyone.

            You have NEVER sounded rational, just ranting a fanatical brain-hosed AGW mantra.

            Thinking, and rationality are not part of your simple-minded brain-hosed naivety.

        2. AndyG55

          “doesn’t get proper “counterarguments” and a “substantive rebuttal” “

          When have you ever offered anything in the way of a scientific counter-arguments, or rebuttals based on anything but mindless mantra ?????.

          It is good to see you finally ADMITTING that you have NOTHING in the way of actual science to offer, just EMPTY belief.

      4. SebastianH

        I’m curious as to how someone can deny the climate, but we’ve been through this before.

        Yes, we have been. It’s funny how you try to distract. Same as with the “nobody even mentioned conspiracy here”. I am pretty sure you know what is meant by the term “climate denier”. I am also pretty sure you know that a butterfly isn’t really a flying butter, right?

        1. Kenneth Richard

          It’s funny how you try to distract.

          You have been told repeatedly not to use the term “denier” here. And yet you do so anyway. If you’d prefer not to have these sort of “distracting” responses to your highly substantive posts, perhaps you should deign to honor our requests and refrain from using that denigrating term that actually makes no sense when paired with “climate” as has been pointed out multiple times. But will you stop? Of course not. You’ll keep on calling people who don’t agree with you insane, clowns, deniers, nutters, retirees, conspiracy theorists who live in fantasy land…or you’ll make note of their skin color. Why not elevate the level of discourse, SebastianH? Why do you come onto other people’s turf and continue to call us the same names despite being asked to stop again and again? Why not be more courteous?

    2. AndyG55

      “It hurt to hear this… yap, yap….. “

      I bet it does. 🙂

      YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH. !!

      Let’s see that “science” that proves that enhanced atmospheric CO2 does ANYTHING except enhance plant growth.

      So far, you have remain TOTALLY and WILFULLY EMPTY

      1. yonason (from my cell phone)

        Poor chatbots! How they suffer – lol.
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Edr2FI6b3yI

      2. SebastianH

        Oh AndyG55, reading your posts helped me develop a pretty high tolerance for BS. But it still hurts to read it …

        YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH. !!

        Yeah yeah, the truth … your truth, your fantasy. Why do you get triggered all the time by anything someone not supporting your fantasy writes? Why all the caps locking?

        1. AndyG55

          Yet another ZERO-CONTENT, empty-of-fact post from poor little triggered SJW seb.

          It must be very painful for you to KNOW that you cannot provide a scientific counter to anything that was said.

          You KNOW that every word of Pierre’s translation was the actual TRUTH.

          You cannot handle or combat those truths,

          you are INCAPABLE of doing so,

          “changes we are currently observing are well within the natural range.”</

          >

          TRUE

          “and goes on to call measures aimed at “protecting weather” absurd”

          TRUE

          “corrupt nature of German climate research:”

          MASSIVE TICK

          “He reminds that the global warming is mostly generated in models – models that are unable to reproduce the past, and thus cannot be relied on to make forecasts for the future”

          UNDENIABLE TRUTH

          “Which scientific sources are you citing for your pseudo-statements?”

          Big TICK. Cook’s work has always been a load of farcical garbage.

          “calling for a stop to the financing of pseudoscience and an immediate stop of the German EEG renewable feed-in act, which he calls a “socialist redistribution”, that so far “has cost consumers several hundreds of billions of euros”

          An ABSOLUTE NECESSITY.

        2. AndyG55

          As I said.

          You CANNOT handle the truth.

          Your whole petty fanatical AGW religion is a LIE. !!

          And you WORSHIP that LIE…

  5. Christopher Hanley

    “99% of independent scientists”? The Cook pseudo-survey found that ’97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities’ which is practically the same as what the IPCC first report in 1990 claimed; almost thirty years of painstaking research by an army of climate scientists costing trillions of dollars and no progress — an indicator of pseudoscience.
    Apart from being an appeal to authority it’s a trivial self-evident statement, a truism.
    Paraphrasing Mandy Rice-Davies (British model and showgirl best known for her association with Christine Keeler and her role in the Profumo affair) ‘they would say that wouldn’t they’.
    The credulous treat it as a scientific axiom comparable with Newton’s Laws — it’s absurd.
    No I’m wrong, if they were asked what the alleged ninety-nine percent supposedly agree about, they couldn’t tell you.

    1. yonason (from my cell phone)

      Exposing the Cooked AGW books.

      The 97% is 100% BS
      https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/10/29/cooks-97-scam-debunked/

      “It is clear that. from the very start, Cook and his colleagues were intent upon providing an eye-catching “consensus” which they could sell to the media, and which would be picked up by politicians and others in the establishment, regardless of what the evidence actually said.

      The reality is starkly different. After searching through 12000 scientific papers, spread over 20 years, all they could only come up with was 65 which supported the supposed consensus.”

      See also here.
      http://www.populartechnology.net/2014/12/97-articles-refuting-97-consensus.html?m=1

    2. Henning Nielsen

      99% won’t do at all. It is not scary enough. Next year, 110%.

  6. John F. Hultquist

    It used to be that “42” was the answer to everything.
    Now it is “97” or 99 or some such. Or maybe 350ppm, or 2°.
    I like 99 44/100 — you can look it up.

    All of these are made-up numbers.
    Those of the cAGW fellowship are like atoms — they make up everything.

    1. Newminster

      The other big made-up number is 2°, which Schellnhuber admitted to be meaningless but which he plucked out of thin air to keep the pollies happy.

      The original 97% came from Doran and Zimmerman which started off with 10,000 questionnaires, 3,000 replies, and ended up with 78 in the final analysis. Zimmerman herself eventually distanced herself from the paper.

      1. Henning Nielsen

        And these 78 were often referred to as “97 % of the world’s climate scientists”, whereas they only came from North America.

  7. Steve

    It was so bloody hot yesterday that my one leftover easter egg melted.
    According to the weather report on TV (arbiters of truth) it was the hottest easter ever.. Thats right EVER!

  8. tom0mason

    Meanwhile the Chinese and Japanese are backing coal…

    From http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/2139667/new-coal-war-frontier-emerges-china-and-japan-compete-energy

    China is currently in the lead, having overtaken Japan in 2000 as Asia’s leading exporter of coal industry equipment. It remains the largest technology supplier to India and the second-largest investor in coal projects in Vietnam, behind Japan. It is also constructing Bangladesh’s first clean coal plant. These developments reflect Beijing’s advantage in providing the necessary coal funding.
    …Japan at a time when most multinational banks have restricted coal funding. … Tokyo has ramped up coal use and has raced ahead in clean coal technology development. Japan now boasts the world’s most efficient coal-fired plant, which uses less coal to produce more electricity. Seizing on this competitive advantage, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has tried to capitalise on these capabilities in a bid to increase Japan’s reach across Southeast Asia – and in China’s backyard.

    Yep, coal use may dwindle in the West but the East is gunge-ho for more high efficiency coal fired development for themselves and those around them.

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